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Re: JIHADISTS: BRITAIN'S NIGHTMARE

Postby boomerang » Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:46 pm

zan wrote:
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boomerang wrote:http://www.cyprus-forum.com/posting.php?mode=reply&f=10&t=42211

forget the world...what turks think of him...the guy is f'moron...and he did call you guys parasites, well I agree with him on this one...... :lol:



You live in a small world Boomer. I would stay away from that site you posted as well. It's feeding your illness :lol: if you keep your head buried in Turkey's internal problems the rest of the world might park its problems in the crack you leave poking in the air 8) :lol: but then the USA and Russia depend on people like you lot. WTF am I doing here :roll:

and you think I give a fcku?... :lol: ...I got what 20 years left if that...so?... fukc everyone...half a bottle of vat 69 gone already... :lol:



I hope you find more than drink before those years are up mate. Genuinly :)


did I mention the joints...yeah a couple of those too... :lol:
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Re: JIHADISTS: BRITAIN'S NIGHTMARE

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:51 pm


An Unhelpful Ally

The Middle East is aflame. The rapid march of the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, or ISIS, from Syria into Iraq has rattled Washington and Brussels. The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is also heating up, as the Jewish state searches frantically for three teens kidnapped in the West Bank. And the world powers continue to wrangle with Iran over its nuclear-weapons program.

None of these crises are easy to solve, and all three have been exacerbated by policies crafted in Europe's backyard by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Turkey.

The ISIS crisis in Iraq is inextricably tied to the dangerous and permissive border policies of Mr. Erdogan's government in Turkey over the past two years. It was only last year that U.S. President Barack Obama chided Mr. Erdogan for "letting arms and fighters flow into Syria indiscriminately and sometimes to the wrong rebels, including anti-Western jihadists."

Mr. Obama wasn't alone in that assessment. As Human Rights Watch noted in an October report, "Many foreign fighters operating in northern Syria gain access to Syria via Turkey, from which they also smuggle their weapons, obtain money and other supplies, and sometimes retreat to for medical treatment."
Mr. Erdogan has denied these allegations and vowed to prevent aid from flowing to jihadists in Syria. But media and law-enforcement reports contradict his statements. "The relative accessibility of the Syrian-Turkish border explains" why so many jihadists have made their way to Syria, the Journal reported earlier this month, citing Europol.

ISIS has found other transit points into Syria. But it's clear that this group, and other violent factions, have benefited from Turkey's Wild Wild East. As Thomas Hegghammer of the Norwegian Defense Research Establishment told the website Syria Deeply in December, "Turkey is to Syria now what Pakistan was to Afghanistan in the 1990s."

Ankara may also be serving as a remote headquarters for the Palestinian terror group Hamas. Senior Hamas figure Saleh al-Aruri "operates out of Turkey, with the backing of the Turkish government," Ynet reported in October. And a high-ranking Israeli intelligence official confirmed his presence there to me, adding that al-Aruri is "one of the most important leaders of Hamas" and is "involved in a lot of things including finance and logistics."

More specifically, al-Aruri is in charge of Hamas's portfolio in the West Bank, according to the London-based pan-Arab daily Al-Hayat. As with other Hamas leaders, his violent proclamations are publicized on the English-language website of the Qassam Brigades, Hamas's military arm. "Hamas will be at the forefront of the resistance work in the West Bank," the site quotes him as saying in October.

Aruri has been based in Turkey since 2012, according to the Egyptian Al-Ahram Weekly, after Hamas abandoned its Damascus headquarters in protest over the Assad regime's slaughter of fellow Sunnis. He joined a Hamas delegation in March 2012 that took part in talks with Mr. Erdogan, the Palestinian Maan News Agency reported. Later that year, he traveled from Turkey to Gaza to attend the Qatari emir's visit to Hamas-controlled Gaza. The following October, al-Aruri joined Hamas politburo chief Khaled Meshal for a high-level meeting with Mr. Erdogan in Ankara, according to a Hamas-linked website.

Aruri's name has recently appeared in the Israeli and Palestinian media as a person of interest in the kidnapping of the three Israeli teens in the West Bank earlier this month; shortly after these reports surfaced, the Israelis razed al-Aruri's home. His leadership role in the Qassam Brigades in the West Bank raise troubling questions about what he is doing in Turkey—and why Ankara allows him to remain there.

An even more troubling question is why, amid global financial pressure to convince the Islamic Republic's leadership to dismantle its illicit nuclear program, one of Turkey's three state-owned banks, Halkbank, HALKB.IS -0.31% was allegedly executing gas-for-gold transactions with Iran. Turkey in 2012 and 2013 purchased Iranian natural gas in Turkish lira and transferred the proceeds to Halkbank accounts. Iranian traders then used these proceeds to buy gold from Turkey, which was shipped to Dubai before making its way to Iran. Ankara insisted that the transactions didn't violate sanctions because the gold was going to individuals, not the Tehran regime (trade with individuals wasn't proscribed at the time).

Washington adopted new legislation in January 2013 that imposed a blanket prohibition on all gold sales to Iran. Yet the Obama administration didn't make the prohibition effective immediately. The sanctions only became effective six months later, on July 1, 2013. By forestalling the imposition of the sanctions, the White House granted Turkey and Iran additional months of trading opportunities. According to a report by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and Roubini Global Economics, "Iran's golden loophole" allowed Tehran to receive more than $13 billion before gas-for-gold slowed to a trickle.

Then, on December 17, 2013, a massive corruption probe in Turkey alleged multiple links between the Turkish political elite and a shadowy business network tied to Iran. One anti-AKP newspaper reported that Reza Zerrab, an Iranian-Azeri businessman, was "accused of being involved in irregular money transactions, mostly from Iran, that total some 87 billion euros." Using his connections in Iran and Turkey, Mr. Zerrab moved "almost a metric ton of gold to Iran every day for 1 1/2 years" in transactions amounting to more than $28 billion, according to Bloomberg. A Turkish prosecutor's report, leaked in March, leveled additional allegations about this financial network between Turkey and Iran.

Mr. Erdogan and his allies deny any wrongdoing, and the AKP has deferred a parliamentary investigation to next year. But if the allegations are true, Turkey helped the mullahs attain financial leverage at a crucial moment in the battle over Iran's nuclear future.

Ankara is now imploring NATO for assistance in repelling ISIS. The AKP is also condemning Israel's West Bank manhunt, while opposing an Iranian nuclear bomb (Turkish President Abdullah Gul last year voiced his concern about a "neighboring country possessing weapons not possessed by Turkey"). Yet Turkey bears some responsibility for all three crises, and Europe must hold Ankara to account.

Mr. Schanzer is vice president for research at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/how-turk ... 1403722487
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Re: JIHADISTS: BRITAIN'S NIGHTMARE

Postby zan » Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:52 pm

boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:http://www.cyprus-forum.com/posting.php?mode=reply&f=10&t=42211

forget the world...what turks think of him...the guy is f'moron...and he did call you guys parasites, well I agree with him on this one...... :lol:



You live in a small world Boomer. I would stay away from that site you posted as well. It's feeding your illness :lol: if you keep your head buried in Turkey's internal problems the rest of the world might park its problems in the crack you leave poking in the air 8) :lol: but then the USA and Russia depend on people like you lot. WTF am I doing here :roll:

and you think I give a fcku?... :lol: ...I got what 20 years left if that...so?... fukc everyone...half a bottle of vat 69 gone already... :lol:



I hope you find more than drink before those years are up mate. Genuinly


did I mention the joints...yeah a couple of those too... :lol:



Do you go fishing as well :wink: :idea:
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Re: JIHADISTS: BRITAIN'S NIGHTMARE

Postby zan » Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:59 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:

An Unhelpful Ally

The Middle East is aflame. The rapid march of the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, or ISIS, from Syria into Iraq has rattled Washington and Brussels. The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is also heating up, as the Jewish state searches frantically for three teens kidnapped in the West Bank. And the world powers continue to wrangle with Iran over its nuclear-weapons program.

None of these crises are easy to solve, and all three have been exacerbated by policies crafted in Europe's backyard by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Turkey.

The ISIS crisis in Iraq is inextricably tied to the dangerous and permissive border policies of Mr. Erdogan's government in Turkey over the past two years. It was only last year that U.S. President Barack Obama chided Mr. Erdogan for "letting arms and fighters flow into Syria indiscriminately and sometimes to the wrong rebels, including anti-Western jihadists."

Mr. Obama wasn't alone in that assessment. As Human Rights Watch noted in an October report, "Many foreign fighters operating in northern Syria gain access to Syria via Turkey, from which they also smuggle their weapons, obtain money and other supplies, and sometimes retreat to for medical treatment."
Mr. Erdogan has denied these allegations and vowed to prevent aid from flowing to jihadists in Syria. But media and law-enforcement reports contradict his statements. "The relative accessibility of the Syrian-Turkish border explains" why so many jihadists have made their way to Syria, the Journal reported earlier this month, citing Europol.

ISIS has found other transit points into Syria. But it's clear that this group, and other violent factions, have benefited from Turkey's Wild Wild East. As Thomas Hegghammer of the Norwegian Defense Research Establishment told the website Syria Deeply in December, "Turkey is to Syria now what Pakistan was to Afghanistan in the 1990s."

Ankara may also be serving as a remote headquarters for the Palestinian terror group Hamas. Senior Hamas figure Saleh al-Aruri "operates out of Turkey, with the backing of the Turkish government," Ynet reported in October. And a high-ranking Israeli intelligence official confirmed his presence there to me, adding that al-Aruri is "one of the most important leaders of Hamas" and is "involved in a lot of things including finance and logistics."

More specifically, al-Aruri is in charge of Hamas's portfolio in the West Bank, according to the London-based pan-Arab daily Al-Hayat. As with other Hamas leaders, his violent proclamations are publicized on the English-language website of the Qassam Brigades, Hamas's military arm. "Hamas will be at the forefront of the resistance work in the West Bank," the site quotes him as saying in October.

Aruri has been based in Turkey since 2012, according to the Egyptian Al-Ahram Weekly, after Hamas abandoned its Damascus headquarters in protest over the Assad regime's slaughter of fellow Sunnis. He joined a Hamas delegation in March 2012 that took part in talks with Mr. Erdogan, the Palestinian Maan News Agency reported. Later that year, he traveled from Turkey to Gaza to attend the Qatari emir's visit to Hamas-controlled Gaza. The following October, al-Aruri joined Hamas politburo chief Khaled Meshal for a high-level meeting with Mr. Erdogan in Ankara, according to a Hamas-linked website.

Aruri's name has recently appeared in the Israeli and Palestinian media as a person of interest in the kidnapping of the three Israeli teens in the West Bank earlier this month; shortly after these reports surfaced, the Israelis razed al-Aruri's home. His leadership role in the Qassam Brigades in the West Bank raise troubling questions about what he is doing in Turkey—and why Ankara allows him to remain there.

An even more troubling question is why, amid global financial pressure to convince the Islamic Republic's leadership to dismantle its illicit nuclear program, one of Turkey's three state-owned banks, Halkbank, HALKB.IS -0.31% was allegedly executing gas-for-gold transactions with Iran. Turkey in 2012 and 2013 purchased Iranian natural gas in Turkish lira and transferred the proceeds to Halkbank accounts. Iranian traders then used these proceeds to buy gold from Turkey, which was shipped to Dubai before making its way to Iran. Ankara insisted that the transactions didn't violate sanctions because the gold was going to individuals, not the Tehran regime (trade with individuals wasn't proscribed at the time).

Washington adopted new legislation in January 2013 that imposed a blanket prohibition on all gold sales to Iran. Yet the Obama administration didn't make the prohibition effective immediately. The sanctions only became effective six months later, on July 1, 2013. By forestalling the imposition of the sanctions, the White House granted Turkey and Iran additional months of trading opportunities. According to a report by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and Roubini Global Economics, "Iran's golden loophole" allowed Tehran to receive more than $13 billion before gas-for-gold slowed to a trickle.

Then, on December 17, 2013, a massive corruption probe in Turkey alleged multiple links between the Turkish political elite and a shadowy business network tied to Iran. One anti-AKP newspaper reported that Reza Zerrab, an Iranian-Azeri businessman, was "accused of being involved in irregular money transactions, mostly from Iran, that total some 87 billion euros." Using his connections in Iran and Turkey, Mr. Zerrab moved "almost a metric ton of gold to Iran every day for 1 1/2 years" in transactions amounting to more than $28 billion, according to Bloomberg. A Turkish prosecutor's report, leaked in March, leveled additional allegations about this financial network between Turkey and Iran.

Mr. Erdogan and his allies deny any wrongdoing, and the AKP has deferred a parliamentary investigation to next year. But if the allegations are true, Turkey helped the mullahs attain financial leverage at a crucial moment in the battle over Iran's nuclear future.

Ankara is now imploring NATO for assistance in repelling ISIS. The AKP is also condemning Israel's West Bank manhunt, while opposing an Iranian nuclear bomb (Turkish President Abdullah Gul last year voiced his concern about a "neighboring country possessing weapons not possessed by Turkey"). Yet Turkey bears some responsibility for all three crises, and Europe must hold Ankara to account.

Mr. Schanzer is vice president for research at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/how-turk ... 1403722487



And so it begins :roll: Who knows…….Europe might make an Erdogan man out of me yet……. if they carry on the American pass the buck strategy!!!!
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Re: JIHADISTS: BRITAIN'S NIGHTMARE

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:17 pm

One possible explanation is that America's power is waning and they can no longer keep their stooges under control. Maybe Erdoğan and his cronies really are acting independently. Certainly, when the Cemaat, which I regard as being an agent of US neoimperialism, used its people in the police and judiciary to launch last December's anticorruption investigation , I thought that America was now out to get him and his days were numbered - but he gave them the slip.
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Re: JIHADISTS: BRITAIN'S NIGHTMARE

Postby zan » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:30 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:One possible explanation is that America's power is waning and they can no longer keep their stooges under control. Maybe Erdoğan and his cronies really are acting independently. Certainly, when the Cemaat, which I regard as being an agent of US neoimperialism, used its people in the police and judiciary to launch last December's anticorruption investigation , I thought that America was now out to get him and his days were numbered - but he gave them the slip.



Thats exactly what happened Tim. I won't say Erdogan but……Turkey is no fool, they made provisions. I mean, who in their right mind would trust the USA outright, after the last twenty years especially. The USA sent CEMAAT to the UK too but it seems to have fallen flat on its face. :wink:
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Re: JIHADISTS: BRITAIN'S NIGHTMARE

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:54 pm

Then you would be saying that America has no hand at all in recent events in Iraq. I think that would be going to far. In my opinion, the reason that Turkey has been instrumental in aiding ISIL is that America wants this (irrespective of what it says in public).
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Re: JIHADISTS: BRITAIN'S NIGHTMARE

Postby zan » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:23 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Then you would be saying that America has no hand at all in recent events in Iraq. I think that would be going to far. In my opinion, the reason that Turkey has been instrumental in aiding ISIL is that America wants this (irrespective of what it says in public).



No, far from it. The events were already under way. I don't believe Erdogan has full control yet.
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Re: JIHADISTS: BRITAIN'S NIGHTMARE

Postby insan » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:36 pm

miltiades wrote:"An explosion in the Muslim population and an aging Christian demographic could mean Islam will be the dominant religion in the UK in 10 years."

Millions lost their lives fighting the Nazis in two world wars. Fighting for freedom, democracy and human rights, ingredients that are very much absent from all Islamic nations. The UK is a tolerant and a democratic nation, will never permit "islamization" taking over regardless of how many third world theocracies enter the country.


That's why they all became imperialists and colonialists... :lol:

Milti, know that i don't segregate between people, religion, culture etc but only as good and bad i segregate them... in essence they are all the same... though it's still relative... however it's crystal clear that a healthy mind is depended on several sociological, economical and psychological elements... when these elements intentionally or unintentionally were corrupted, weakened, abused etc by some powerful external and/or internal interest groups; there starts the declension in all fields of life... this is the problem in essentials... the greedy elites be it in the west or in the east are in collaboration to make the innocent ordinary people suffer in all fields of life... they are the ones creating the beasts and push them fight to kill each other... why? They are not able to control the huge world population as how they wish... they afraid of losing their huge wealth to the masses... they want to reduce the population to a point that they will be able to take the people's full control... it's not a conspiricy theory... it's crystal clear... no one can stop them... even the freedom, democracy and human rights you supposedly have... they will soon be expired... so what? May all their inhumane plans fail and the ordinary, innocent, good people of whole world converge to peace, justice, prosperity and true knowledge...
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Re: JIHADISTS: BRITAIN'S NIGHTMARE

Postby miltiades » Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:01 pm

insan wrote:
miltiades wrote:"An explosion in the Muslim population and an aging Christian demographic could mean Islam will be the dominant religion in the UK in 10 years."

Millions lost their lives fighting the Nazis in two world wars. Fighting for freedom, democracy and human rights, ingredients that are very much absent from all Islamic nations. The UK is a tolerant and a democratic nation, will never permit "islamization" taking over regardless of how many third world theocracies enter the country.


That's why they all became imperialists and colonialists... :lol:

Milti, know that i don't segregate between people, religion, culture etc but only as good and bad i segregate them... in essence they are all the same... though it's still relative... however it's crystal clear that a healthy mind is depended on several sociological, economical and psychological elements... when these elements intentionally or unintentionally were corrupted, weakened, abused etc by some powerful external and/or internal interest groups; there starts the declension in all fields of life... this is the problem in essentials... the greedy elites be it in the west or in the east are in collaboration to make the innocent ordinary people suffer in all fields of life... they are the ones creating the beasts and push them fight to kill each other... why? They are not able to control the huge world population as how they wish... they afraid of losing their huge wealth to the masses... they want to reduce the population to a point that they will be able to take the people's full control... it's not a conspiricy theory... it's crystal clear... no one can stop them... even the freedom, democracy and human rights you supposedly have... they will soon be expired... so what? May all their inhumane plans fail and the ordinary, innocent, good people of whole world converge to peace, justice, prosperity and true knowledge...

Unlike you I do very much differentiate between a culture that determines a woman has to be killed for choosing the wrong partner, according to her family, or a woman has to be killed for using a mobile phone.You have it all wrong I'm afraid.
Right now you have people whose culture is totally alien to western culture involved in atrocities against people of the same beliefs, ie in Iraq and Syria.

There are savages who blow themselves up at funeral processions, markets, public places and indiscriminately and intentionally murder innocent bystanders.

Yes, I do indeed differentiate between cultures that restrict a womans human right to marry who she pleases, a woman that is mutilated so as to eliminate a part of her body so that she feels no enjoyment herself but offers enjoyment to her man. A disgusting archaic and barbaric cultural act. No we are not all the same.
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