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by **zan** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:12 pm

boomerang wrote:Islamists will always hate the west...their interpretation of islam varies alot from the moderates..look at the taliban...the us made them and then fought them.......the islamists want world domination either by conversion or beheading....there is no middle ground with these guys....still thinking 6th century...

Come on Boomers……Now you are sounding like Milti :lol:

They might think the same when the wests moto is "For God, King and country" in that order :wink:

lets have some balance

by **boomerang** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:24 pm

Here is balance zan...west trains the taliban....west fights the taliban...facts....not saying the west is squeaky clean...but you have to admit the islamists have a certain disdain for the west....not picking on moderates zan...we are not talking of people we refer to as muslims...

by **boomerang** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:27 pm

It takes a sort of a special breed that beheads or eats someones heart....mind you of another believer in the muslim faith....

by **Tim Drayton** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:32 pm

Presidential elections are coming in Turkey. The main two opposition parties have announced their candidate - and that is a huge surprise, because they have chosen somebody with strong islamist credentials. The AKP say they will announce their candidate on 1 July, but it is expected to be Erdoğan, which means he has to step down as party leader and prime-minister. Big changes are coming. In my opinion Turkey will survive, either under a putinesque Erdoğan dictatorship, or else, if he loses, this will usher in a spirit of reconciliation between secularists and Islamists.

by **zan** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:37 pm

boomerang wrote:Here is balance zan...west trains the taliban....west fights the taliban...facts....not saying the west is squeaky clean...but you have to admit the islamists have a certain disdain for the west....not picking on moderates zan...we are not talking of people we refer to as muslims...

Cool….I get you

by **boomerang** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:47 pm

Erdie is going to win hands down with the help of the kurdish vote...this will bring problems with the "white" turks...a confrontation is looming...it will make gezi look like a walk in the park...6th century thinkers will always have problems with 21st century thinkers... :lol:

by **zan** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:54 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Presidential elections are coming in Turkey. The main two opposition parties have announced their candidate - and that is a huge surprise, because they have chosen somebody with strong islamist credentials. The AKP say they will announce their candidate on 1 July, but it is expected to be Erdoğan, which means he has to step down as party leader and prime-minister. Big changes are coming. In my opinion Turkey will survive, either under a putinesque Erdoğan dictatorship, or else, if he loses, this will usher in a spirit of reconciliation between secularists and Islamists.

I suppose its like Cameron trying to outkip UKIP :lol:

by **Tim Drayton** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:09 pm

boomerang wrote:Erdie is going to win hands down with the help of the kurdish vote...this will bring problems with the "white" turks...a confrontation is looming...it will make gezi look like a walk in the park...6th century thinkers will always have problems with 21st century thinkers...

If he wins, then the plan is to change the constitution and move on to a full presidential system which instals Erdoğan as dictator. The AKP's support for EU membership was a tactical ploy and will no longer be needed. So, he can pull Turkey out of the European Convention of Human Rights and will no longer be answerable to the European Court of Human Rights. Then no holds are barred as far as suppression of dissent goes, and opposition against him will stand as much chance as it did against the likes of Gaddafi or Saddam. The interesting thing is, though, if he loses, he will be finished. He hasn't announced his candidacy yet, so let's see.

by **Tim Drayton** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:11 pm

zan wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Presidential elections are coming in Turkey. The main two opposition parties have announced their candidate - and that is a huge surprise, because they have chosen somebody with strong islamist credentials. The AKP say they will announce their candidate on 1 July, but it is expected to be Erdoğan, which means he has to step down as party leader and prime-minister. Big changes are coming. In my opinion Turkey will survive, either under a putinesque Erdoğan dictatorship, or else, if he loses, this will usher in a spirit of reconciliation between secularists and Islamists.

I suppose its like Cameron trying to outkip UKIP

It is unfortunately so. I can't believe that Ataturk's party is supporting Emeleddin İhsanoğlu, but there you have it.

by **boomerang** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:31 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
boomerang wrote:Erdie is going to win hands down with the help of the kurdish vote...this will bring problems with the "white" turks...a confrontation is looming...it will make gezi look like a walk in the park...6th century thinkers will always have problems with 21st century thinkers...

If he wins, then the plan is to change the constitution and move on to a full presidential system which instals Erdoğan as dictator. The AKP's support for EU membership was a tactical ploy and will no longer be needed. So, he can pull Turkey out of the European Convention of Human Rights and will no longer be answerable to the European Court of Human Rights. Then no holds are barred as far as suppression of dissent goes, and opposition against him will stand as much chance as it did against the likes of Gaddafi or Saddam. The interesting thing is, though, if he loses, he will be finished. He hasn't announced his candidacy yet, so let's see.

If does not run he is finished...not mentioning no more shoe boxes :lol: