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[Tim Drayton]

I think in Iraq it is more than just Islam on Islam. Under Al-Maliki Iraq was turned into a Shiite partisan state in which the Sunnis were marginalised and now the Sunnis are rebelling. The jihadists appear to be leading this rebellion for now, but other forces are involved - local tribes and also former bigwigs from the secular Arab nationalist BAATH party, some of whom have a lot of political experience. These groups are going to fight it out in the nascent new state being carved out of Sunni populated central ex-Iraq and north ex-Syria (I think we can agree that Iraq has just ceased to exist). There are secular as well as religious forces that will be battling it out for future dominance.

[zan]

the war now has moved from west on islam to islam on islam...the infighting will start soon...don't worry about that...

50% of turks today are secularist and reject islam...or any cali what ever...you can see different opinions of turks here
http://www.network54.com/Forum/248068/
the secularist are staunch supporters of the ataturk doctrine...trouble brewing as we speak...
and it will not be long before you see infighting..either in turkey of around turkey...and as always innocents will pay, as we saw with gazi...

the way I see it is turkey is being set up one way or another...if it succeeds all good, if it don't there will be a price to be paid...and some one is gonna pay, this I am certain...there is always a fall guy...

erdie is be friending the kurds so he can get the presidency...that's all...also he is being religated to biden as Obama won't take his calls no anymore...

and tim there were incidents where the local cops busted the MIT trucks entering Syria with weapons not so long ago...

@zan
the USA does not give 2 hoots about united states of whatever...they are looking after their own interests...if it came to the oil running out they will keep it for themselves...fuck the EU...this was evident when they asked the UK, their main lap dog, when the UK was asked to leave Iraq...without getting anything in return...

unfortunately for them Russia is a spoiler and china can easily sign off on all the Russian gas and oil...without a drop to the EU...this the EU is well aware, but today can do nothing...

the only thing the US is good at creating is rivals...look at china for example...because today the US is run by big business in search for higher profits all the money ended in china...strange huh?..

I can see one day protectionism coming back...only way for the US to re-insert her power...maybe this is where I can see turkey being a pivotal point within the EU...

well i had a few vat69 scotches already anyway...run out of zivania...

Watcha Boomers


Basically what I said but the Kurds are more of the plan than just votes for Erdogan and the Muslim Union would give the USA a another massive market for McDonalds,Microsoft, Apple………..etc…... included with the oil. If it happens….. but thats the plan IMHO. As far as I know and what my friend, an accountant, told me, China was either very clever or just lucky. They only bought into companies with at most 49% and let them function as before saying they had no experience in western business so they could not take them over so not all the money went to China. That was a few years ago. Don't know the situation at present?

[zan]

I think in Iraq it is more than just Islam on Islam. Under Al-Maliki Iraq was turned into a Shiite partisan state in which the Sunnis were marginalised and now the Sunnis are rebelling. The jihadists appear to be leading this rebellion for now, but other forces are involved - local tribes and also former bigwigs from the secular Arab nationalist BAATH party, some of whom have a lot of political experience. These groups are going to fight it out in the nascent new state being carved out of Sunni populated central ex-Iraq and north ex-Syria (I think we can agree that Iraq has just ceased to exist). There are secular as well as religious forces that will be battling it out for future dominance.

Who was it on the news last night that was asked if he would attack ISIS and he said, "Yes, but not yet"…….Just caught that bit

[Tim Drayton]

Splitting hairs a bit. Islam on Islam is OK if you include secularists living in Islamic countries many of whom will be Muslims. But it will be more than just Islamists on islamists.

[Tim Drayton]

I think in Iraq it is more than just Islam on Islam. Under Al-Maliki Iraq was turned into a Shiite partisan state in which the Sunnis were marginalised and now the Sunnis are rebelling. The jihadists appear to be leading this rebellion for now, but other forces are involved - local tribes and also former bigwigs from the secular Arab nationalist BAATH party, some of whom have a lot of political experience. These groups are going to fight it out in the nascent new state being carved out of Sunni populated central ex-Iraq and north ex-Syria (I think we can agree that Iraq has just ceased to exist). There are secular as well as religious forces that will be battling it out for future dominance.

Who was it on the news last night that was asked if he would attack ISIS and he said, "Yes, but not yet"…….Just caught that bit

I don't know. Do tell. (Serious request)

[zan]

Splitting hairs a bit. Islam on Islam is OK if you include secularists living in Islamic countries many of whom will be Muslims. But it will be more than just Islamists on islamists.

If you are commenting on my post Tim, it was confusing…I agree with you

[Tim Drayton]

Splitting hairs a bit. Islam on Islam is OK if you include secularists living in Islamic countries many of whom will be Muslims. But it will be more than just Islamists on islamists.

If you are commenting on my post Tim, it was confusing…I agree with you

No, I was being a bit harsh on our Antipodean resident friend with his "Islam on Islam" statement, which is true if you subsume secularists in Islamic countries under the category "Islam". I sense a meeting of three minds here which is unusual on this forum!

[zan]

Splitting hairs a bit. Islam on Islam is OK if you include secularists living in Islamic countries many of whom will be Muslims. But it will be more than just Islamists on islamists.

If you are commenting on my post Tim, it was confusing…I agree with you

No, I was being a bit harsh on our Antipodean resident friend with his "Islam on Islam" statement, which is true if you subsume secularists in Islamic countries under the category "Islam". I sense a meeting of three minds here which is unusual on this forum!

He did admit to being a little intoxicated

We mustn't forget where the weapons they are using came from either

[boomerang]

Splitting hairs a bit. Islam on Islam is OK if you include secularists living in Islamic countries many of whom will be Muslims. But it will be more than just Islamists on islamists.

If you are commenting on my post Tim, it was confusing…I agree with you

No, I was being a bit harsh on our Antipodean resident friend with his "Islam on Islam" statement, which is true if you subsume secularists in Islamic countries under the category "Islam". I sense a meeting of three minds here which is unusual on this forum!

How about sunnis against the shites...how about hard core against moderates, not secularists....I think the plan is to get them fighting each other...occupying themselves to kingdom come...maybe thats the master plan all along...let them slaughter each other....it will save money and get rid of the problem once and for all....

Cheney today said he expected an attack on us soil worse than 9/11...why would he say that?

[boomerang]

Islamists will always hate the west...their interpretation of islam varies alot from the moderates..look at the taliban...the us made them and then fought them.......the islamists want world domination either by conversion or beheading....there is no middle ground with these guys....still thinking 6th century...and you think the us hasn't learn this with the taliban?...it could be another conquer and divide all over again...but as I said before there is always a fall guy...this is going to finish in turkey...mark my words on this....go to the webside I posted earlier, read some comments on different threads and you can see the passions of the turks...against each other....

Furtermore the saudis are financing all this but they were against the muslim brotherhood...go figure...also right now the saudis are not happy with the us....maybe they dont like obuma...
Lesson of the day is...the west and the islamists are on a different agenda...