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[miltiades]

Zan, might also think that the UK Prime Minister IS .....A PRICK!!!
"British-born jihadists are biggest threat to UK, says Prime Minister
Michael Settle
UK Political Editor
Thursday 19 June 2014

THE terrorists seeking to create an Islamic regime across Iraq and Syria are planning to launch attacks in Britain, David Cameron has warned as No 10 revealed there were 40 Syria-related arrests between January and March.

The Prime Minister has argued the biggest danger facing this country is British-born jihadists returning to the UK; it is thought around 400 are in Syria with an unknown number in Iraq.

During Commons Question-Time, he told MPs the UK Government's approach would be "long-term, hard-headed, patient and intelligent", stressing that it was important Nouri al Maliki, the Iraqi Prime Minister, tackled extremism in his country, pushed back the Isis terrorists from the territory they had gained, closed down ungoverned space, and that the Baghdad government must represent the interests of all the people of Iraq, not just the Shia majority."

[zan]

...the same worry is starting in Canada, because as Canadians, Jihadists return, their 'war' experience adding to the credibility they have, as activists. within the Muslim community there is an outcry, it is they that are sounding the alarm, and it is their children affected by the issue. it does not seem that the Government has reached out to this leadership yet, in any significant manner, in their efforts, although the issue will boil to a head, given that there are trials in process for terrorist activities which occurred in Canada.

...and the so-called Charter of Values, in Quebec, was not defeated. although the Party which supported such a defence was; accommodation, and integration remain at odds. dividing the people by religion was an easy political tactic leaving urban dwellers at a loss, overwhelmed by what are rural fears, oddly enough under one God, forbidding religious expression of any kind (instead), if you are a school teacher, a nurse or doctor, a civil-servant, a Judge, a Prison Guard, Fireman or Policeman, and even if you do business with the Government (Municipal or Provincial) no overt religious symbols can be worn or displayed.

Jihadists are a threat because they provoke an equal and opposite extreme; all the more reason for a balance to be created so that in these extremes there remains a diversity which is enriching to the whole (choosing where you, you personally sit on this bar does not preclude its purpose, while "it" sits on a fulcrum); as a State, not picking sides so to speak, acting more if it must, as a referee. one expects more of the tools Communities need to divert the attention of youth, offer choice (as in school/jobs/parks), thus demonstrating the will in defending Universal Principals, demonstrating a confidence in people as the People. Britons, like Canadians and Americans, or Europeans, Indians, and Australians (to name a few), are committed to acting, above anything else as Human beings, without any other distinction or discrimination, as well as their own distinct identities as Persons. Jihadists are more like Golden Dawn, their threat is that "everything else" is for plunder, or to be destroyed. not one Nation, or Religion, Country or State, represents a conflicting view to their own, it is not that their acts threaten the State/Nation/Religion (left wing/right wing (of their origin)) per se, the State (the very idea) itself is under threat, it is not that they are dangerous, per se, it is that they are a danger. "they" (and the labelling as such according to "their" Agenda) is, the, danger (what sticks, of their sense of entitlement, in any case becomes expensive to the rest).

...I know I am not one of "them", and i also know that an "us'' (as in Freedom and Democracy) must include everyone.

Thanks for the sermon RW (Reverend Warrior) but what you are preaching is not tolerance but yet another cult that people must adhere to. What the prick Milti is teaching is for Dagenham thugs to terrorise innocent people because they ARE different. He is asking for what that other prick Cameron (yes) is asking that single cell morons are justified in discrimination. No better than the Jihadists that he thinks I support. How many again? As much as 40 Wow! That many huh! Well don't let them back into the country moron. Instead he is using 40 fools as an excuse to bomb the shit out of thousands of people in a war that they started a long time ago. Remind you of anyone.....mmmm....WMDs maybe. That prick Cameron thinks that by " reminding" everyone that the UK is Christian is going to promote peace? That by stigmatising millions of what he calls "Britons", when it suits and jihadists when it don't, that is going to bring calm to the streets. I expect he will have Jim Davidson at his side this election to prove to his voters that he supports the "British way of life". Perhaps even round up the current comedians that are doing the damage he seems to think is happening. There are many sicknesses in this world and he is adding to it. Not his place to make statements this. I welcome the discussion but it is not the foreigners that have marginalised his version of Britishness. It is the English themselves that have grown and are not into racist jokes...... At least the intelligent ones.... And have embarrassed the ignorant into the new world. Not Milti though...... The Christian jihadist. All I can wish him and Cameron is that the last few days on their deathbeds, they have the screams of innocent people filling their heads to bursting point. It seems age does not bring wisdom but an old prick recruiting mindless thugs to torment innocent people. I hope his heart sinks on the first report of this coming.

[miltiades]

...the same worry is starting in Canada, because as Canadians, Jihadists return, their 'war' experience adding to the credibility they have, as activists. within the Muslim community there is an outcry, it is they that are sounding the alarm, and it is their children affected by the issue. it does not seem that the Government has reached out to this leadership yet, in any significant manner, in their efforts, although the issue will boil to a head, given that there are trials in process for terrorist activities which occurred in Canada.

...and the so-called Charter of Values, in Quebec, was not defeated. although the Party which supported such a defence was; accommodation, and integration remain at odds. dividing the people by religion was an easy political tactic leaving urban dwellers at a loss, overwhelmed by what are rural fears, oddly enough under one God, forbidding religious expression of any kind (instead), if you are a school teacher, a nurse or doctor, a civil-servant, a Judge, a Prison Guard, Fireman or Policeman, and even if you do business with the Government (Municipal or Provincial) no overt religious symbols can be worn or displayed.

Jihadists are a threat because they provoke an equal and opposite extreme; all the more reason for a balance to be created so that in these extremes there remains a diversity which is enriching to the whole (choosing where you, you personally sit on this bar does not preclude its purpose, while "it" sits on a fulcrum); as a State, not picking sides so to speak, acting more if it must, as a referee. one expects more of the tools Communities need to divert the attention of youth, offer choice (as in school/jobs/parks), thus demonstrating the will in defending Universal Principals, demonstrating a confidence in people as the People. Britons, like Canadians and Americans, or Europeans, Indians, and Australians (to name a few), are committed to acting, above anything else as Human beings, without any other distinction or discrimination, as well as their own distinct identities as Persons. Jihadists are more like Golden Dawn, their threat is that "everything else" is for plunder, or to be destroyed. not one Nation, or Religion, Country or State, represents a conflicting view to their own, it is not that their acts threaten the State/Nation/Religion (left wing/right wing (of their origin)) per se, the State (the very idea) itself is under threat, it is not that they are dangerous, per se, it is that they are a danger. "they" (and the labelling as such according to "their" Agenda) is, the, danger (what sticks, of their sense of entitlement, in any case becomes expensive to the rest).

...I know I am not one of "them", and i also know that an "us'' (as in Freedom and Democracy) must include everyone.

Thanks for the sermon RW (Reverend Warrior) but what you are preaching is not tolerance but yet another cult that people must adhere to. What the prick Milti is teaching is for Dagenham thugs to terrorise innocent people because they ARE different. He is asking for what that other prick Cameron (yes) is asking that single cell morons are justified in discrimination. No better than the Jihadists that he thinks I support. How many again? As much as 40 Wow! That many huh! Well don't let them back into the country moron. Instead he is using 40 fools as an excuse to bomb the shit out of thousands of people in a war that they started a long time ago. Remind you of anyone.....mmmm....WMDs maybe. That prick Cameron thinks that by " reminding" everyone that the UK is Christian is going to promote peace? That by stigmatising millions of what he calls "Britons", when it suits and jihadists when it don't, that is going to bring calm to the streets. I expect he will have Jim Davidson at his side this election to prove to his voters that he supports the "British way of life". Perhaps even round up the current comedians that are doing the damage he seems to think is happening. There are many sicknesses in this world and he is adding to it. Not his place to make statements this. I welcome the discussion but it is not the foreigners that have marginalised his version of Britishness. It is the English themselves that have grown and are not into racist jokes...... At least the intelligent ones.... And have embarrassed the ignorant into the new world. Not Milti though...... The Christian jihadist. All I can wish him and Cameron is that the last few days on their deathbeds, they have the screams of innocent people filling their heads to bursting point. It seems age does not bring wisdom but an old prick recruiting mindless thugs to torment innocent people. I hope his heart sinks on the first report of this coming.

As much effort as you are devoting to fool readers that you are not religious, the fact of the matter you will be the first to rejoice at any atrocity committed by this vermin, so called Islamists. Admit that you are not that far away from their sick and perverted ideology. These extreme savages who cold-bloodedly shoot unarmed Iraqi soldiers who surrendered are a bloody menace and the earliest the West realizes and acts accordingly the better for the civilized world.

I have always considered you to be a moron masquerading as a progressive thinking man, you are nothing of the sort and I suggest you pack your bags and bugger off to join your heroes in Iraq and elsewhere.

[miltiades]

I omitted to say that you should also take with you that other idiot GR !!

[zan]

You can take Allah or any other invented god and stick it up your twisted arse. Convinced yet prick

[insan]

The greediest ruling elite(a kind of extremists) of western countries have been extremely exploiting especially the islamic countries that have rich resources for hundreds of years... democracy and human rights are only for their elites and close circles in their own country... they keep the so-called modern and democratic system up by extremely exploiting the "3rd world countries" which they named as "3rd world countries"... they always want to be on top by all means... they don't let weaker countries to develop and get stronger... ohhh baby baby it's wild west.... ehhh... hahahahaha! you call it humanized, democratic west ehh... How comes... how comes the ordinary people who one way or other are aware of being extremely exploited by the elites of the west and their local compradors not become an extremists for any costs? Create the beast and then ask your ordinary people to fight against them... ohhh yess... the name of the real game is pushing the ordinary people of whole world into a big war and do anything they can to just a few million "servants" stay alive for their new world order... modern, democratic, civilized west eh? ahahahahahahaaha!

[miltiades]

The greediest ruling elite(a kind of extremists) of western countries have been extremely exploiting especially the islamic countries that have rich resources for hundreds of years... democracy and human rights are only for their elites and close circles in their own country... they keep the so-called modern and democratic system up by extremely exploiting the "3rd world countries" which they named as "3rd world countries"... they always want to be on top by all means... they don't let weaker countries to develop and get stronger... ohhh baby baby it's wild west.... ehhh... hahahahaha! you call it humanized, democratic west ehh... How comes... how comes the ordinary people who one way or other are aware of being extremely exploited by the elites of the west and their local compradors not become an extremists for any costs? Create the beast and then ask your ordinary people to fight against them... ohhh yess... the name of the real game is pushing the ordinary people of whole world into a big war and do anything they can to just a few million "servants" stay alive for their new world order... modern, democratic, civilized west eh? ahahahahahahaaha!

Indeed ! We have democracy, we have human rights, freedom of speech, thought and freedom to believe in the nonsense of a creator or not. We can criticise Christianity without the fear of having our throat slashed. We love our way of life, our women are free to dress as they please, they are not second class citizens, they can smile to anyone, they can talk to anyone and choose their partner. Yes this is the West, not the dark ages who stone a woman to death for daring to use a mobile phone. If our West is not acceptable to them they can return to their shitholes and praise their false god a hundred times a day.
Almost forgot, we can eat and drink whatever takes our fancy, this is freedom this is democracy this is the West.

[insan]

The greediest ruling elite(a kind of extremists) of western countries have been extremely exploiting especially the islamic countries that have rich resources for hundreds of years... democracy and human rights are only for their elites and close circles in their own country... they keep the so-called modern and democratic system up by extremely exploiting the "3rd world countries" which they named as "3rd world countries"... they always want to be on top by all means... they don't let weaker countries to develop and get stronger... ohhh baby baby it's wild west.... ehhh... hahahahaha! you call it humanized, democratic west ehh... How comes... how comes the ordinary people who one way or other are aware of being extremely exploited by the elites of the west and their local compradors not become an extremists for any costs? Create the beast and then ask your ordinary people to fight against them... ohhh yess... the name of the real game is pushing the ordinary people of whole world into a big war and do anything they can to just a few million "servants" stay alive for their new world order... modern, democratic, civilized west eh? ahahahahahahaaha!

Indeed ! We have democracy, we have human rights, freedom of speech, thought and freedom to believe in the nonsense of a creator or not. We can criticise Christianity without the fear of having our throat slashed. We love our way of life, our women are free to dress as they please, they are not second class citizens, they can smile to anyone, they can talk to anyone and choose their partner. Yes this is the West, not the dark ages who stone a woman to death for daring to use a mobile phone. If our West is not acceptable to them they can return to their shitholes and praise their false god a hundred times a day.
Almost forgot, we can eat and drink whatever takes our fancy, this is freedom this is democracy this is the West.

Reh Milti... you still are not aware of that what you believe you have and what you supposedly have all come from the extreme exploitation of the rich resources of the east by your beloved "satanic" elites?

[zan]

The greediest ruling elite(a kind of extremists) of western countries have been extremely exploiting especially the islamic countries that have rich resources for hundreds of years... democracy and human rights are only for their elites and close circles in their own country... they keep the so-called modern and democratic system up by extremely exploiting the "3rd world countries" which they named as "3rd world countries"... they always want to be on top by all means... they don't let weaker countries to develop and get stronger... ohhh baby baby it's wild west.... ehhh... hahahahaha! you call it humanized, democratic west ehh... How comes... how comes the ordinary people who one way or other are aware of being extremely exploited by the elites of the west and their local compradors not become an extremists for any costs? Create the beast and then ask your ordinary people to fight against them... ohhh yess... the name of the real game is pushing the ordinary people of whole world into a big war and do anything they can to just a few million "servants" stay alive for their new world order... modern, democratic, civilized west eh? ahahahahahahaaha!

Indeed ! We have democracy, we have human rights, freedom of speech, thought and freedom to believe in the nonsense of a creator or not. We can criticise Christianity without the fear of having our throat slashed. We love our way of life, our women are free to dress as they please, they are not second class citizens, they can smile to anyone, they can talk to anyone and choose their partner. Yes this is the West, not the dark ages who stone a woman to death for daring to use a mobile phone. If our West is not acceptable to them they can return to their shitholes and praise their false god a hundred times a day.
Almost forgot, we can eat and drink whatever takes our fancy, this is freedom this is democracy this is the West.

Reh Milti... you still are not aware of that what you believe you have and what you supposedly have all come from the extreme exploitation of the rich resources of the east by your beloved "satanic" elites?

Agreed, it was the USA that for some reason decided to replace the flawed secular Kemalists with so-called moderate Islam (even though moderate political Islam is a contradiction in terms and moderate religion is what you get under secularism).

As journalist Micheal Jansen has put it:

“The cross-border conflict waged by the radical Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (Isis) is blowback from a policy of promoting fundamentalists that has been adopted for more than half a century by western powers and their regional allies as a counterweight to secular Arab nationalism.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/mi ... -1.1833320

And the same kind of thinking applies with regard to America’s policy towards other countries in the region. It is interesting that if you speak to a secular minded Pakistani about the parlous state that Pakistan has fallen into, they will tell you that in the 1970’s Pakistan was a pretty secular sort of place and it was the Americans that turned it into the country it is today with its policy of support for radical Islam as an antidote to Communism, and you will hear pretty much the same thing said by Turkish secularists.


Provided by our friend Tim Drayton.....

[insan]

Tony Benn had these 5 questions for the powerful.
As Oliver Kamm points out, when Benn met the genocidal dictator Saddam Hussein in 2003, here is the kind of thing he actually asked him: "I have 10 grandchildren ... and for me politics is about their future, their survival. And I wonder whether you could say something yourself directly through this interview to the peace movement of the world that might help to advance the cause they have in mind?"
Saddam the war-mongering butcher was happy to oblige the foolish old man with his puffball questions. Saddam replied: "First of all we admire the development of the peace movement around the world in the last few years. We pray to God to empower all those working against war and for the cause of peace".
As Kamm says: "The five questions didn't come up."

http://markhumphrys.com/modern.leftists.html