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[repulsewarrior]

...I remember the café my grandpa played his tavli in. on one wall was a very large map of the world, on the other were three photos, the Queen as a young lady, Makarios to one side, and Kutchuk on the other; what we were part of I thought, as Cypriots, was a greater Commonwealth.

...indeed erolz there is a realisation denied by Greeks as a Community, not a mention of it anywhere, and frankly I have never understood how it is that Turcophones do/did not press their case if they are Cypriots, I ask (and I don't know anyone else who asks the question loudly), where were the Greeks when there existed a Communal Chamber, where are the Greeks today with the same need, for representation as Persons, as well as Individuals; if there is to be a State, a Republic, where are the Cypriot Constituencies, where have Greeks as Greeks represented themselves for things "Greek", if it is an absolute necessity, a Turkish Constituency per se, and its equal?

...it is a misdirection to take on the Republic as the adversery, it is exactly what needs to be freed, for Freedom, not just (the) Liberty, (that as a Person is important to you), and if it is as you say, the "Greeks" who hold the Agenda, while Greeks (as in the vast majority of the island's population) continue to remain silent, then it should be even more imperative to fight what is a hostage taking by Imperialistic forces "Turkish", and "Greek", for Cyprus, against any status quo where this enmity grows, against Cypriots (call it Cypriotness, if you like) to be precise, denying "us" this existence, to favor "Greekness", or "Turkishness" alone.

[repulsewarrior]

...so what are we to expect in Turkey if the island of Cyprus is successfully divided in two? it may suit the aims of a country like Russia, who can make historical claims in Crimea, like the claims in Cyprus Turkey makes which are Ottoman. they can become powerful allies to suit these claims. in countries like Iran, and in Iraq, and Syria, it seems that these divisions are naturally disposed to occur, in effect it is based on the same kind of historical claim, shouldn't they?

...in any case, if this 'fragmentation' continues, Turkey would be next in such a scenario? I ask.

...conversely, the island is restored, and as Cyprus, it is a Republic, Bicommunally a country where its Citizens are identified as Individuals, no more no less. within which, another level of government exists so that Citizens, being as voters, Individuals, as electorates having choices, as Persons, as well. can that not reflect well in other countries, and in Turkey? although very inefficient in Cyprus because the population size is small, is it an efficient mechanism in these other countries to pursue Free Expression on many levels, toward securing their Freedom as a State, as one, because they are all Human Beings, and their Liberty, where Liberty is equal among the People as Persons.

[Kikapu]

This is for our good friend, Erolz, who seems to agree with Erdogans' idea of Democracy for Turkey.......Really?

Democracy is all about ballot box, Erdoğan says

June 22, 2014, Sunday/ 18:55:35/ TODAY'S ZAMAN / ANKARA

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has harshly criticized those who say the ballot box is not everything in a democracy, adding that people who do not accept the results of a democratic election will have a democracy like that of Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-351051- ... -says.html

[Tim Drayton]

I am happy to report an error in the above post. It seems that on 6 February, Ayşe Deniz Karacagil (pictured above, centre), indicted, inter alia, on the charge of “wearing a red neckerchief which symbolises socialism,” along with four other people arrested in the course of the Gezi protests and indicted on similarly ludicrous and unfounded charges, was acquitted by Antalya Serious Crime Court on 6 February after spending four months and four days in remand - surely a punishment of a kind.

I see this as being a victory for the Turkish judicial system which has not yet been fully brought under the political control of the autocratic AKP regime - but you can be sure they are working on it and one day the outrageous offence - in the eyes of Islamofascists - of a woman wearing a red neckerchief (or even being alleged to have done so) will not go unpunished - unless Erdoğan is kicked out in the coming presidential elections.

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/turk ... ozgur.html

Just a note to pass on the sad news that Ayşe Deniz Karacagil, who was jailed in the Gezi park protests and later joined the PKK while she was in prison, is reported to have been killed while fighting against Daesh in the battle to retake Raqqa.

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/turk ... betti.html

[repulsewarrior]

...r.i.p.

a life filled fully; a beautiful smile.