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[zan]

BBF has been used too loosely.

What was offered in the past was not a Federation! So why call it a Federation? It's false advertising!

If you read between the lines here Paphitis, it is saying that the Russians are quite happy for the status quo to continue. That way, the hydrocarbons stay in the ground.

Russia and the US are just having a bitch fight hissy fit!

Believe you me that Russia is going to be a very big problem because of what they are doing to Ukraine. Also, they don't give a rats arse about Cyprus!

The hydrocarbons won't stay in the ground. What's Russia gonna do? Annex Cyprus? lol

Not annex mate but make sure the two sides don't agree. It cannot have the gas coming to the EU yet.Don't forget we have the USA on the other side. The "RoC" don't want the pipe to run through Turkey either but the EU and USA don't think there is too many other options. It is all one big mess with us in the middle.

[Paphitis]

BBF has been used too loosely.

What was offered in the past was not a Federation! So why call it a Federation? It's false advertising!

If you read between the lines here Paphitis, it is saying that the Russians are quite happy for the status quo to continue. That way, the hydrocarbons stay in the ground.

Russia and the US are just having a bitch fight hissy fit!

Believe you me that Russia is going to be a very big problem because of what they are doing to Ukraine. Also, they don't give a rats arse about Cyprus!

The hydrocarbons won't stay in the ground. What's Russia gonna do? Annex Cyprus? lol

Not annex mate but make sure the two sides don't agree. It cannot have the gas coming to the EU yet.Don't forget we have the USA on the other side. The "RoC" don't want the pipe to run through Turkey either but the EU and USA don't think there is too many other options. It is all one big mess with us in the middle.

Zan, I don't think the Americans give a stuff whether the 2 sides in Cyprus agree or not.

The gas is going to market because that is what the Yanks want and it is what the EU needs and then there is Israel itself which will pipe the stuff through Cyprus.

Noble Energy has been placing its rigs in Cyprus Spending hundreds of millions dollars. They are gonna want to get their money back and then some.

Even an Australian Company is about to buy a share for 2 billion dollars. It's gone beyond the point of return.

Cyprus will have an Energy Boom within 8 tears from now.

And don't ever presume that these oil companies are not aware of the political situation in Israel or Cyprus. They know the risks and quite frankly they don't even take Turkey seriously and have called her bluff. When they start spending money, you can bet its for a reason. And if Turkey causes any problems, they will probably just support a Military Coup and install their own puppet or punish Turkey in other ways. Fact is, Turkey won't cause any problems because it simply knows it will be shoveling shit uphill!

[zan]

BBF has been used too loosely.

What was offered in the past was not a Federation! So why call it a Federation? It's false advertising!

If you read between the lines here Paphitis, it is saying that the Russians are quite happy for the status quo to continue. That way, the hydrocarbons stay in the ground.

Russia and the US are just having a bitch fight hissy fit!

Believe you me that Russia is going to be a very big problem because of what they are doing to Ukraine. Also, they don't give a rats arse about Cyprus!

The hydrocarbons won't stay in the ground. What's Russia gonna do? Annex Cyprus? lol

Not annex mate but make sure the two sides don't agree. It cannot have the gas coming to the EU yet.Don't forget we have the USA on the other side. The "RoC" don't want the pipe to run through Turkey either but the EU and USA don't think there is too many other options. It is all one big mess with us in the middle.

Zan, I don't think the Americans give a stuff whether the 2 sides in Cyprus agree or not.

The gas is going to market because that is what the Yanks want and it is what the EU needs and then there is Israel itself which will pipe the stuff through Cyprus.

Noble Energy has been placing its rigs in Cyprus Spending hundreds of millions dollars. They are gonna want to get their money back and then some.

Even an Australian Company is about to buy a share for 2 billion dollars. It's gone beyond the point of return.

Cyprus will have an Energy Boom within 8 tears from now.

And don't ever presume that these oil companies are not aware of the political situation in Israel or Cyprus. They know the risks and quite frankly they don't even take Turkey seriously and have called her bluff. When they start spending money, you can bet its for a reason. And if Turkey causes any problems, they will probably just support a Military Coup and install their own puppet or punish Turkey in other ways. Fact is, Turkey won't cause any problems because it simply knows it will be shoveling shit uphill!

Well, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. If Turkey is destabilised then the whole thing goes up in smoke. They have learned this from Iraq and Syria. They do not have the control they think they have and there is always the Russians to consider

[Paphitis]

Well, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. If Turkey is destabilised then the whole thing goes up in smoke. They have learned this from Iraq and Syria. They do not have the control they think they have and there is always the Russians to consider

Zan,

Turkey won't be destabilized.

But it won't get between the EU/US and the Gas. If it does, then they will destabilize Turkey and they don't give a stuff. Turkey knows it's on a loser here big time which is why you haven't heard a squeak.

[zan]

Well, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. If Turkey is destabilised then the whole thing goes up in smoke. They have learned this from Iraq and Syria. They do not have the control they think they have and there is always the Russians to consider

Zan,

Turkey won't be destabilized.

But it won't get between the EU/US and the Gas. If it does, then they will destabilize Turkey and they don't give a stuff. Turkey knows it's on a loser here big time which is why you haven't heard a squeak.

They (Russia/USA) have already tried mate. Don't forget Gezi Park and the recent corruption attempts. Turkey has now closed itself off and is regrouping. They are not letting out the Generals for nothing. Don't underestimate Turkey

[Nikitas]

Now you gotta love this reasoning for the expulsion of Armenians in February 1964:

"If ENOSIS had not been the main aim of GCs then you could also claim what you claim about your TC "minorities". "

So the GCs demand Enosis and that somehow justifies the TMT forcing ALL the Armenians of Nicosia to pack their bags and leave within half an hour. Check it out, that is how it happened.

When the checkpoints were opened the first people to come south were the Roma who could no longer stand the mistreatment in the north. Presumably we can blame that on the Enosis desires of the 50s and 60s too.

The "constitution" of the TRNC nationalised all properties not owned by TCs, a blatantly racist act, and again, we have the cure-all Enosis dream to blame.

Exclusion of Non Turks had been in place way before the first signs of intercommunal problems. I might be older than you Zan, and am obviously less poetic, so I will tell you in simple prose that I never saw the inside of the old city of Famagusta, the Turkish sector of Nicosia, the coffee shops of Lefka because these were no go areas for GCs since the early 50s, even before EOKA started its campaign. We were told we were not welcome in these places in no uncertain terms.

Sometimes it helps to have a little self criticism rather than rely on a blanket scapegoat. The Turk to Turk campaign of the 50s was more an act of racial supremacy than a survival tactic, as was the expulsion of Armenians and the nationalisation of properties. Racism can have a negative expression (all foreigners are bad) or a positive one (we are superior), the TC leadership chose the latter and it is still applying it as is evident in their negotiating proposals.

[zan]

Now you gotta love this reasoning for the expulsion of Armenians in February 1964:

"If ENOSIS had not been the main aim of GCs then you could also claim what you claim about your TC "minorities". "

So the GCs demand Enosis and that somehow justifies the TMT forcing ALL the Armenians of Nicosia to pack their bags and leave within half an hour. Check it out, that is how it happened.

When the checkpoints were opened the first people to come south were the Roma who could no longer stand the mistreatment in the north. Presumably we can blame that on the Enosis desires of the 50s and 60s too.

The "constitution" of the TRNC nationalised all properties not owned by TCs, a blatantly racist act, and again, we have the cure-all Enosis dream to blame.

Exclusion of Non Turks had been in place way before the first signs of intercommunal problems. I might be older than you Zan, and am obviously less poetic, so I will tell you in simple prose that I never saw the inside of the old city of Famagusta, the Turkish sector of Nicosia, the coffee shops of Lefka because these were no go areas for GCs since the early 50s, even before EOKA started its campaign. We were told we were not welcome in these places in no uncertain terms.

Sometimes it helps to have a little self criticism rather than rely on a blanket scapegoat. The Turk to Turk campaign of the 50s was more an act of racial supremacy than a survival tactic, as was the expulsion of Armenians and the nationalisation of properties. Racism can have a negative expression (all foreigners are bad) or a positive one (we are superior), the TC leadership chose the latter and it is still applying it as is evident in their negotiating proposals.

And I suppose the relationship between the British empire and the rest of the world against Turkey was hunky dory Come on Nikitas. Stop taking things out of context