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UK Turkish Cypriot Fed/Associations Rule!

Postby MrH » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:08 pm

Need we, Turkish Cypriots of the UK, say more....

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http://famagusta-gazette.com/letter-the-national-federation-of-cypriots-in-great-britain-is-not-fit-for-p23916-69.htm

Article:
Letter: The National Federation of Cypriots in Great Britain is not fit for purpose
LETTER TO THE EDITOR• Wednesday, 11 June, 2014
Sir,

The 22nd of May 2014 will go down in history as a black day for the Greek speaking community which suffered almost complete political annihilation.

A near wipe-out of the number of local and national representatives of Greek extraction took place, with incumbent councillors losing their seats, and new candidates failing to be elected at the local and European elections.

The results speak for themselves - 12 local councillors from the Greek speaking community elected in London in comparison to 32 from the Turkish speaking community elected in London.

With only a dozen Greek speaking politicians now elected to represent the Greek speaking Cypriot community, we have entire boroughs and areas in London where the Greeks live, unrepresented by Greek speaking politicians.

The tsunami that hit the Greek speaking community was not unexpected or surprising.

Calls by several progressive voices over the last ten years for a serious and concerted campaign to recruit members of the community to mainstream British political parties, and a greater involvement by the community in local and national politics in the UK have been repeatedly ignored.

These calls have been largely ignored by one organisation in particular, the “National Federation of Cypriots in Great Britain” or “The Federation”.

The Federation claims on its own website that one of its aims is to “coordinate the work of UK Cypriots in the political, social, cultural and educational spheres and lobbies for and articulates the interests and concerns of the Cypriot community in the United Kingdom”.

The reality is that the Federation under its current leader and executive committee has seen its own membership dwindle, and has proven to be utterly ineffective at lobbying both at local and national government levels on any issues of interest to the Greek speaking community.

We challenge any of the current executive of the Federation to give one example of political success that this organisation can claim was a result of its “co-ordination” to help promote the interests of the community and influence national and European decision-makers.

In fact the majority view in the Greek speaking community is that the Federation is not fit for purpose any more, representing ghost organisations, has little influence in national and local politics of this country, and does not speak for anyone other than the main Cypriot political parties based in the UK, ie AKEL, DISY, DIKO, EDEK, etc. It is obvious even to the most naive that if we want to have any real influence on Cyprus issues, we have to join mainstream British political parties.

In contrast, the Turkish speaking community of the United Kingdom had over 80 candidates in the recent local elections, electing 32 local councillors, mainly in north London.

This is in sharp contrast to the political tsunami that almost wiped out the political base held traditionally by Greek speaking local politicians in Barnet, north London.

The same old antiquated practices that have led the Greek speaking community into the political desert, causing some of the core political supporters of the Cyprus and Greek causes in Parliament to start questioning their allegiances, should end.

They may start to question the community itself when they see our own involvement in politics and decision-making dwindle to such a disastrously low level. We need proper co-ordination, real solidarity, leadership with vision and a clear strategy for the way forward to rebuild the Greek speaking community into an effective political force in the United Kingdom.


Yours Faithfully,


John Kaponi

Media adviser & Political strategist

On behalf of Greek speaking candidates at British local elections



As I have said in the past, the Greek Cypriots in the UK amount to nothing compared to the power and shear population of the Turkish (support from the mighty 4million Turks and their Diaspora-Associations/Feds from Germany and the UK), and Turkish Cypriots abroad. You can fool the easily paid off Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus, but it's us in the UK and abroad whom dictate what they can or can't do back home. When we say jump, Erdogan has to ask us again...and then President Eroglu re-confirms! That's why, if you want a solution to the Cyprus problem, don't bother with those in the TRNC....ask us, contact our federations and accept one on our terms.

Good luck in the Bogus UN Talks.....

...by the way, Dr Kudret Ozersay is in London to get a briefing from our people....he'll soon be heading back to Cyprus with a new agenda.

Ciao Bella!
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Re: UK Turkish Cypriot Fed/Associations Rule!

Postby Get Real! » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:24 pm

Not that I could care less about your “Cypriot” communities in London (because I’m a firm believer that all Cypriots are IN Cyprus and the rest are just dreamers of things past), but what’s funny about your post is that it took you so long to get 80 candidates elected in local elections while the GCs had it one sided all these decades!

So whatever the GCs had achieved after decades of successful elections (probably nothing) what chances do you have to better them after just one successful election/year? :? :lol:
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Re: UK Turkish Cypriot Fed/Associations Rule!

Postby MrH » Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:32 pm

by Get Real! » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:24 pm

Not that I could care less about your “Cypriot” communities in London (because I’m a firm believer that all Cypriots are IN Cyprus and the rest are just dreamers of things past), but what’s funny about your post is that it took you so long to get 80 candidates elected in local elections while the GCs had it one sided all these decades!

So whatever the GCs had achieved after decades of successful elections (probably nothing) what chances do you have to better them after just one successful election/year?



Hi Get Real, nice to hear from you as always.

The difference in today's world concerning the Turkish Cypriot Diaspora is that we have finally (after all these years) received Turkey's Financial backing, when previously it was only us. This has made a huge difference as we have recently been able to officially and extensively reach out to many of our Diaspora members both nationally (in the UK) and their influence internationally (Europe and beyond - Such as the Turkish Grand National Assembly in the U.S). This type of network now appears to be growing exponentially to such a degree that even the Turkish Cypriots in the TRNC are now flying to the UK to participate and listen to our views and Powerful lobby groups. Just recently, for instance, we had a member of the former followers of the Annan Plan visit our UK offices and work closely with us on why a Two-State solution is the only way forward. This individual, whom is also very close to your Greek Cypriot (liberal-Socialist) lobby group in the south, for the First Time since 1983, also met with our "Turkish" (from Turkey itself) counterpart(s) and exchanged some very interesting and compromising views. This goes to show how Turkey's support and strategy has changed to all peoples of the TRNC and abroad and how influential Turkey has now become as a pivot in winning the hearts of ALL Turkish Cypriots. There is so much going on both in Northern Cyprus, Turkey and us abroad that if the Annan Plan was given to us to vote on tomorrow, it would no doubt receive a 90% plus "OXI" from us, too! The Cyprus problem has now changed Get Real, Turkey has changed the TRNC in such a profound and practical way that if you (the Greek Cypriots) continue to delay a Two-State resolution under UN backing, the Turkish Cypriots will soon be gearing its own Referendum in front of the World Press for the integration as a "State" of the "Republic of Turkey" until the Greek Cypriots are ready to really discuss a Cyprus solution, as opposed to playing games and delay tactics.

The situation, for your side, is more serious than you could ever imagine. Confidence building measures, first try to convince us that you want to share the island as equals rather than reopening laughable scenarios such as demanding that the President of a New Cyprus will always remain a Greek Cypriot and the Vice President a Turkish Cypriot. It is these types of statements that our honorary dignitaries visiting our foreign office's laugh at whenever we meet - one of them was U.S Vice President Joe Biden (in 2010)!

On a final note, the Gas scenario will be a main game changer as soon as it's ready for its extraction - watch this space Get Real and understand the seriousness of the true lack of control and power the Greek Cypriots believe that they have adopted. All Turkish/Turkish Cypriot are uniting, very similarly to how the Greek Cypriots acted prior to the 1959 Zurich Agreements which lead to the 1960 Cyprus Republic. the EU are powerless when it comes to Turkey and the matter of Cyprus as the signing of the Cease-Fire agreement still stands until a UN based Comprehensive agrement is signed and sealed. However, that does not mean that we will remain in our current (Turkish Cypriot) situation any longer while you (Greek Cypriots) play the waiting game. Two can play at that game!
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Re: UK Turkish Cypriot Fed/Associations Rule!

Postby boulio » Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:49 pm

MrH wrote:
by Get Real! » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:24 pm

Not that I could care less about your “Cypriot” communities in London (because I’m a firm believer that all Cypriots are IN Cyprus and the rest are just dreamers of things past), but what’s funny about your post is that it took you so long to get 80 candidates elected in local elections while the GCs had it one sided all these decades!

So whatever the GCs had achieved after decades of successful elections (probably nothing) what chances do you have to better them after just one successful election/year?



Hi Get Real, nice to hear from you as always.

The difference in today's world concerning the Turkish Cypriot Diaspora is that we have finally (after all these years) received Turkey's Financial backing, when previously it was only us. This has made a huge difference as we have recently been able to officially and extensively reach out to many of our Diaspora members both nationally (in the UK) and their influence internationally (Europe and beyond - Such as the Turkish Grand National Assembly in the U.S). This type of network now appears to be growing exponentially to such a degree that even the Turkish Cypriots in the TRNC are now flying to the UK to participate and listen to our views and Powerful lobby groups. Just recently, for instance, we had a member of the former followers of the Annan Plan visit our UK offices and work closely with us on why a Two-State solution is the only way forward. This individual, whom is also very close to your Greek Cypriot (liberal-Socialist) lobby group in the south, for the First Time since 1983, also met with our "Turkish" (from Turkey itself) counterpart(s) and exchanged some very interesting and compromising views. This goes to show how Turkey's support and strategy has changed to all peoples of the TRNC and abroad and how influential Turkey has now become as a pivot in winning the hearts of ALL Turkish Cypriots. There is so much going on both in Northern Cyprus, Turkey and us abroad that if the Annan Plan was given to us to vote on tomorrow, it would no doubt receive a 90% plus "OXI" from us, too! The Cyprus problem has now changed Get Real, Turkey has changed the TRNC in such a profound and practical way that if you (the Greek Cypriots) continue to delay a Two-State resolution under UN backing, the Turkish Cypriots will soon be gearing its own Referendum in front of the World Press for the integration as a "State" of the "Republic of Turkey" until the Greek Cypriots are ready to really discuss a Cyprus solution, as opposed to playing games and delay tactics.

The situation, for your side, is more serious than you could ever imagine. Confidence building measures, first try to convince us that you want to share the island as equals rather than reopening laughable scenarios such as demanding that the President of a New Cyprus will always remain a Greek Cypriot and the Vice President a Turkish Cypriot. It is these types of statements that our honorary dignitaries visiting our foreign office's laugh at whenever we meet - one of them was U.S Vice President Joe Biden (in 2010)!

On a final note, the Gas scenario will be a main game changer as soon as it's ready for its extraction - watch this space Get Real and understand the seriousness of the true lack of control and power the Greek Cypriots believe that they have adopted. All Turkish/Turkish Cypriot are uniting, very similarly to how the Greek Cypriots acted prior to the 1959 Zurich Agreements which lead to the 1960 Cyprus Republic. the EU are powerless when it comes to Turkey and the matter of Cyprus as the signing of the Cease-Fire agreement still stands until a UN based Comprehensive agrement is signed and sealed. However, that does not mean that we will remain in our current (Turkish Cypriot) situation any longer while you (Greek Cypriots) play the waiting game. Two can play at that game!


i dont understand the tc and turkish reasoning,from one point you say two state solution and then you want claims to the gas that in a two state solution are in the south?
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Re: UK Turkish Cypriot Fed/Associations Rule!

Postby MrH » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:36 pm

by boulio » Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:49 pm


i dont understand the tc and turkish reasoning,from one point you say two state solution and then you want claims to the gas that in a two state solution are in the south?


Hi Boulio, those are actually two different scenarios. Seeing that there's no solution, affairs affecting the entire island and those surrounding it are still the concern of Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots, while politics is another. For instance, if you don't want Turkey to butt in and push the Turkish Cypriots in raising their claims of any natural Gas found off the island of Cyprus, then you'll either have to Recognise the "TRNC" and Null and Void the 1959/1960 agreements, or push your leaders in signing a new Compromise, Comprehensive agreement, with some removal of any Turkish Cypriot claim for anything found on "your side". Other than that, what ever is found in the South, or the North for that matter, without any set borders (country/ and or state) belongs to us all. While, the talks under UN auspices for a Comprehensive settlement continues. It's as simple as that. When the Gas is extracted, half of its revenue WILL be given to the Co-founders of the Cyprus Republic, seeing that you wanted to continue with the consitution......you can't have your cake and eat it Boulio. If you think anything different, then I would suggest speaking to the U.S, Israel and the UN on the matter.

Plus, is it not your ROC Administration whom continually stresses that the TRNC is sitting on "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land?

Seeing that you are quick to issue ROC passwords to the Turkish Cypriots whom are clearing playing the game in reverse, our claim to the Gas finds are as legal. It's a Double-Edged sword my good friend.

The TRNC and Turkey are closely watching.
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Re: UK Turkish Cypriot Fed/Associations Rule!

Postby Flying Horse » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:47 pm

MrH wrote:

Plus, is it not your ROC Administration whom continually stresses that the TRNC is sitting on "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land?


Wow MrH, that's one hell of a nervous stuttering problem you have there.

What's wrong, Occupation of other people's land hard to admit?
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Re: UK Turkish Cypriot Fed/Associations Rule!

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:01 pm

...it is the world which says it is illegally occupied, (except one country, of course).
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Re: UK Turkish Cypriot Fed/Associations Rule!

Postby boulio » Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:16 pm

MrH wrote:
by boulio » Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:49 pm


i dont understand the tc and turkish reasoning,from one point you say two state solution and then you want claims to the gas that in a two state solution are in the south?


Hi Boulio, those are actually two different scenarios. Seeing that there's no solution, affairs affecting the entire island and those surrounding it are still the concern of Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots, while politics is another. For instance, if you don't want Turkey to butt in and push the Turkish Cypriots in raising their claims of any natural Gas found off the island of Cyprus, then you'll either have to Recognise the "TRNC" and Null and Void the 1959/1960 agreements, or push your leaders in signing a new Compromise, Comprehensive agreement, with some removal of any Turkish Cypriot claim for anything found on "your side". Other than that, what ever is found in the South, or the North for that matter, without any set borders (country/ and or state) belongs to us all. While, the talks under UN auspices for a Comprehensive settlement continues. It's as simple as that. When the Gas is extracted, half of its revenue WILL be given to the Co-founders of the Cyprus Republic, seeing that you wanted to continue with the consitution......you can't have your cake and eat it Boulio. If you think anything different, then I would suggest speaking to the U.S, Israel and the UN on the matter.

Plus, is it not your ROC Administration whom continually stresses that the TRNC is sitting on "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land, "Occupied" land?

Seeing that you are quick to issue ROC passwords to the Turkish Cypriots whom are clearing playing the game in reverse, our claim to the Gas finds are as legal. It's a Double-Edged sword my good friend.

The TRNC and Turkey are closely watching.


how are your gas claims legal if the the finds are in the south?do you need a compase?
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Re: UK Turkish Cypriot Fed/Associations Rule!

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:00 pm

And all that because you elected some people in municipalities? How many municipalities are there in the UK? How many Councillors?
and what influence do these people have other than perhaps arrange for better parks and garbage recycling?
And all that to a country that counts less than Sweden in the EU...
Keep on dreaming MrH before Anastasiades the tiger wakes you up with a scary hoarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :P
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Re: UK Turkish Cypriot Fed/Associations Rule!

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:13 am

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