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[Paphitis]

Your like a yo-yo,

You ask for someone to come forward with sound government documents and then, reject it.

Government documents about the Troika's "evil plan" which you insinuated is fine, but I do not agree with this idiot releasing militarily sensitive and covert material from other countries which he was entrusted with by way of a security clearance. He caused a lot of serious problems.

This is a very dangerous game he has played and don't be surprised if he is assassinated some day.

So who do you want to write these "research papers" with the "evil plan"? People like John Perkins?

Any academic from a reputable University and only if they are able to provide credible sources and references from Government and official documents and so forth.

[Maximus]

You will not get any government document. never.

What's wrong with the Chief Economic Advisor for a corporation that was doing this?

Your counter argument is a joke.

[Paphitis]

You will not get any government document. never.

What's wrong with the Chief Economic Advisor for a corporation that was doing this?

Your counter argument is a joke.

Why is that? If Snowden managed to bypass the CIA, NSA, ASIO, ASIC, MI5 and MI6 for now, then I am sure some smart arse is able to get something remotely credible! Unless of course if the documents don't exist!

[Maximus]

You will not get any government document. never.

What's wrong with the Chief Economic Advisor for a corporation that was doing this?

Your counter argument is a joke.

Why is that? If Snowden managed to bypass the CIA, NSA, ASIO, ASIC, MI5 and MI6 for now, then I am sure some smart arse is able to get something remotely credible! Unless of course if the documents don't exist!

Government documents will not exist for this,

It is done through corporations, corruption and bribes.

[Maximus]

You will just reject everything anyway.

[Robin Hood]

Maximus/Paphitis,
I have followed your exchange with interest but one of the problems with the Forum is that every world event seems to come back to the Greece/Turkey/Cyprus argument. This thread started with a video from Ukraine , for me an upsetting video that showed the futility of war, any war. Wars are started by Governments and government agencies.

Paphitis, I admire your stubborn belief in the integrity of the US but, I really do feel the foundation of that support is at best tenuous and misdirected. The evidence is far too substantive to be disregarded that the US is, without question, behind almost every destabilisation in the world today. As a Nation they are the biggest threat to World peace and the greatest creators of terrorist’s by a long way. I feel you are looking at the US from the perspective of the US of the 1920’s and 1930’s a country that at that time could only be admired and envied by the rest of the world. Even in those days the US had begun a slow change that accelerated around 1948 and it was then the people of the US had their government hi-jacked but it was so slow and insidious that by certain sectors having control of the media, the American people got to know only what was necessary for their government to embark on a course aimed at world domination (hegemony).

The evidence is now available in a way it has never been before. The US and its Allies create scenes that demonise people like Assad, Saddam, Ghadaffi, not that these people are angels but, they were better for a stable world than the US alternative. But the US has now met their match and have woken a hibernating bear ......... they have yet to learn that it is not a wise move to poke a sleepy Russian bear with a stick.

I feel Maximus has reached very sound conclusions and, as I have myself found out, unless you sift through the available information you will never realise the simple fact that virtually everything that is gradually destabilising our planet is intricately related and that at the fore front of all of it is the USA, its Military Industrial Complex, the US dominated World Banking/financial systems and the multinational US Corporations. .... (BTW: My observation applies to the Administration of the US not the people. I am not anti-American per se, I just see nothing good about their leaders.)

Unfortunately the US population knows very little about what is being done in their name by the people they believe they elected to work for their benefit within the Constitution as laid down by the founding Fathers of that the Nation. I am afraid it is a sad fact that the average American could not find Ukraine or Cyprus on the map .......... apart from Israel, the rest of the world does not exist to most Americans other than being a bunch of troublemakers that their Government goes to great length to protect them and US Allies from. However, I do believe that The People are beginning to awake from their slumber ...... as you remarked Paphitis, the Internet has been a blessing to many of us, without it I would know no more now than when I retired in 2000. Maybe you just need the time and wisdom of old age to work all this out ........... but IMO Maximus is on the right track.

[Paphitis]

You will not get any government document. never.

What's wrong with the Chief Economic Advisor for a corporation that was doing this?

Your counter argument is a joke.

Why is that? If Snowden managed to bypass the CIA, NSA, ASIO, ASIC, MI5 and MI6 for now, then I am sure some smart arse is able to get something remotely credible! Unless of course if the documents don't exist!

Government documents will not exist for this,

It is done through corporations, corruption and bribes.

The corruption comes down to the country in question, and Greece and Cyprus were open for business just like your typical African Tinpot.

You can't blame Corporations for trying. I would do the same if I was the CEO of Siemens.

[Maximus]

RH,

I was waiting for you to step back in, I know we slide a bit and focused on Greece, but I think the thesis is also applicable to Ukraine and the other countries mentioned.

[Maximus]

You will not get any government document. never.

What's wrong with the Chief Economic Advisor for a corporation that was doing this?

Your counter argument is a joke.

Why is that? If Snowden managed to bypass the CIA, NSA, ASIO, ASIC, MI5 and MI6 for now, then I am sure some smart arse is able to get something remotely credible! Unless of course if the documents don't exist!

Government documents will not exist for this,

It is done through corporations, corruption and bribes.

The corruption comes down to the country in question, and Greece and Cyprus were open for business just like your typical African Tinpot.

You can't blame Corporations for trying. I would do the same if I was the CEO of Siemens.

YOU cant blame the "corporation" for exploiting and turning Africa in to a destabilized war torn tinpot.

Then you provide the evidence you ask from others from within yourself.

if you was the CEO you would try and corrupt.

[Paphitis]

Maximus/Paphitis,
I have followed your exchange with interest but one of the problems with the Forum is that every world event seems to come back to the Greece/Turkey/Cyprus argument. This thread started with a video from Ukraine , for me an upsetting video that showed the futility of war, any war. Wars are started by Governments and government agencies.

My apologies mate.

Sorry for side tracking your thread. I agree that wars are awful and that many innocent people suffer as a result of them.

Paphitis, I admire your stubborn belief in the integrity of the US but, I really do feel the foundation of that support is at best tenuous and misdirected. The evidence is far too substantive to be disregarded that the US is, without question, behind almost every destabilisation in the world today. As a Nation they are the biggest threat to World peace and the greatest creators of terrorist’s by a long way. I feel you are looking at the US from the perspective of the US of the 1920’s and 1930’s a country that at that time could only be admired and envied by the rest of the world. Even in those days the US had begun a slow change that accelerated around 1948 and it was then the people of the US had their government hi-jacked but it was so slow and insidious that by certain sectors having control of the media, the American people got to know only what was necessary for their government to embark on a course aimed at world domination (hegemony).

I do not believe 100% in the integrity of the US. In fact i do not believe 100% in the integrity of all countries, including Australia, Greece and Cyprus.

Each country has its own agenda, and very often the Governments of those countries lie to the people, mismanage things and are even corrupt.

I do not believe the US destabilized Ukraine. I believe Russia has in order to intervene and annex Crimea. This is the illegal action here.

The evidence is now available in a way it has never been before. The US and its Allies create scenes that demonise people like Assad, Saddam, Ghadaffi, not that these people are angels but, they were better for a stable world than the US alternative. But the US has now met their match and have woken a hibernating bear ......... they have yet to learn that it is not a wise move to poke a sleepy Russian bear with a stick.

To be frank, Assad, Qadaffi, and Saddam did a fine job of demonizing themselves before the International Community. There is however a far bigger demon today in my opinion and I believe that is North Korea and that issue will come to a head one day (hopefully without war).

I feel Maximus has reached very sound conclusions and, as I have myself found out, unless you sift through the available information you will never realise the simple fact that virtually everything that is gradually destabilising our planet is intricately related and that at the fore front of all of it is the USA, its Military Industrial Complex, the US dominated World Banking/financial systems and the multinational US Corporations. .... (BTW: My observation applies to the Administration of the US not the people. I am not anti-American per se, I just see nothing good about their leaders.)

I don't think so.

The US has also been very good to the vast majority of Nations and been a very big Stabilizing force, and it will even offer its allies with Security if required.

Unfortunately the US population knows very little about what is being done in their name by the people they believe they elected to work for their benefit within the Constitution as laid down by the founding Fathers of that the Nation. I am afraid it is a sad fact that the average American could not find Ukraine or Cyprus on the map .......... apart from Israel, the rest of the world does not exist to most Americans other than being a bunch of troublemakers that their Government goes to great length to protect them and US Allies from. However, I do believe that The People are beginning to awake from their slumber ...... as you remarked Paphitis, the Internet has been a blessing to many of us, without it I would know no more now than when I retired in 2000. Maybe you just need the time and wisdom of old age to work all this out ........... but IMO Maximus is on the right track.

Yes I do believe the US Government runs the country far better than most and in most cases they do a fairly good job but they are not perfect. I certainly have more faith in their Governments than the Governments of Greece and Cyprus so go figure.

My issue here RH is that the Americans are always blamed for every single scenario that comes to fruition, from Coups to economic collapse when in reality we only have ourselves to blame and the US has had very little to do with any of it.