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[Paphitis]

So basically, you are not blaming the economic hitman or the jackels or the source of where this problem has come from but, the stupidity of corrupt Greeks because they are not doing like you would do or Assad?

No, I didn't say that Greeks are stupid. I didn't say Cypriots are stupid either. But I did say that many of their politicians and leaders were as corrupt as all hell, and that something needs to be done about this and so if this all comes about from economic oblivion in the short term thus getting external assistance to clean the rot out then so be it because I am thinking more long term and hoping that both Greece and Cyprus can sort their shit out for the sake of future generations.

there were no jackals or hitmen. in the end, both Greece, Cyprus and their banks have to be responsible for the mess they created just like you are responsible for any loans you may take out from a bank.

[Maximus]

So basically, you are not blaming the economic hitman or the jackels or the source of where this problem has come from but, the stupidity of corrupt Greeks because they are not doing like you would do or Assad?

No, I didn't say that Greeks are stupid. I didn't say Cypriots are stupid either. But I did say that many of their politicians and leaders were as corrupt as all hell, and that something needs to be done about this and so if this all comes about from economic oblivion in the short term thus getting external assistance to clean the rot out then so be it because I am thinking more long term and hoping that both Greece and Cyprus can sort their shit out for the sake of future generations.

there were no jackals or hitmen. in the end, both Greece, Cyprus and their banks have to be responsible for the mess they created just like you are responsible for any loans you may take out from a bank.

You practically did say that Greeks are stupid and you are blaming the leaders for being corrupted by outsiders and pumping the country full of debt instead of taking a bullet to the head,

You have also concluded that this is all good because these outsiders are going to fix it.

[Paphitis]

So basically, you are not blaming the economic hitman or the jackels or the source of where this problem has come from but, the stupidity of corrupt Greeks because they are not doing like you would do or Assad?

No, I didn't say that Greeks are stupid. I didn't say Cypriots are stupid either. But I did say that many of their politicians and leaders were as corrupt as all hell, and that something needs to be done about this and so if this all comes about from economic oblivion in the short term thus getting external assistance to clean the rot out then so be it because I am thinking more long term and hoping that both Greece and Cyprus can sort their shit out for the sake of future generations.

there were no jackals or hitmen. in the end, both Greece, Cyprus and their banks have to be responsible for the mess they created just like you are responsible for any loans you may take out from a bank.

You practically did say that Greeks are stupid and you are blaming the leaders for being corrupted by outsiders and pumping the country full of debt instead of taking a bullet to the head,

You have also concluded that this is all good because these outsiders are going to fix it.

Yes i believe any assistance from the outside is a good thing. What I didn't like is how Greece and Cyprus didn't resist the EU as much for their lack of assistance.

No I did not say Greeks and Cypriots are stupid at all.

[Maximus]

So basically, you are not blaming the economic hitman or the jackels or the source of where this problem has come from but, the stupidity of corrupt Greeks because they are not doing like you would do or Assad?

No, I didn't say that Greeks are stupid. I didn't say Cypriots are stupid either. But I did say that many of their politicians and leaders were as corrupt as all hell, and that something needs to be done about this and so if this all comes about from economic oblivion in the short term thus getting external assistance to clean the rot out then so be it because I am thinking more long term and hoping that both Greece and Cyprus can sort their shit out for the sake of future generations.

there were no jackals or hitmen. in the end, both Greece, Cyprus and their banks have to be responsible for the mess they created just like you are responsible for any loans you may take out from a bank.

You practically did say that Greeks are stupid and you are blaming the leaders for being corrupted by outsiders and pumping the country full of debt instead of taking a bullet to the head,

You have also concluded that this is all good because these outsiders are going to fix it.

Yes i believe any assistance from the outside is a good thing. What I didn't like is how Greece and Cyprus didn't resist the EU as much for their lack of assistance.

No I did not say Greeks and Cypriots are stupid at all.

What do you mean? What kind of resistance did you expect Greece and Cyprus to provide and what kind of assistance was you expecting...

The leaders were corrupted,
The country pumped full of debt,
The solution was conditional to their terms and the medicine came from the same place as the disease,
They control the country now,
They control the gas now,
Greece and Cyprus belong to their creditors,
The people are in servitude to service the debts,
Greece and Cyprus will struggle to repay the debt that it was artificially pumped with,
It will stay like this, prolonged or repeated so the creditors and conspirators can move their companies in to exploit the country and people and bank the coin,

Your philosophy does not fit their agenda any further than what they want you to think so they can move in a 'clean out the rot'.
Others that resisted before, got jackals, sanctions or war (or the constant threat of) or assassinated as 'brutal dictators' and 'terrorists'.

I hope I am wrong and you are right.

[Paphitis]

So basically, you are not blaming the economic hitman or the jackels or the source of where this problem has come from but, the stupidity of corrupt Greeks because they are not doing like you would do or Assad?

No, I didn't say that Greeks are stupid. I didn't say Cypriots are stupid either. But I did say that many of their politicians and leaders were as corrupt as all hell, and that something needs to be done about this and so if this all comes about from economic oblivion in the short term thus getting external assistance to clean the rot out then so be it because I am thinking more long term and hoping that both Greece and Cyprus can sort their shit out for the sake of future generations.

there were no jackals or hitmen. in the end, both Greece, Cyprus and their banks have to be responsible for the mess they created just like you are responsible for any loans you may take out from a bank.

You practically did say that Greeks are stupid and you are blaming the leaders for being corrupted by outsiders and pumping the country full of debt instead of taking a bullet to the head,

You have also concluded that this is all good because these outsiders are going to fix it.

Yes i believe any assistance from the outside is a good thing. What I didn't like is how Greece and Cyprus didn't resist the EU as much for their lack of assistance.

No I did not say Greeks and Cypriots are stupid at all.

What do you mean? What kind of resistance did you expect Greece and Cyprus to provide and what kind of assistance was you expecting...

The leaders were corrupted,
The country pumped full of debt,
The solution was conditional to their terms and the medicine came from the same place as the disease,
They control the country now,
They control the gas now,
Greece and Cyprus belong to their creditors,
The people are in servitude to service the debts,
Greece and Cyprus will struggle to repay the debt that it was artificially pumped with,
It will stay like this, prolonged or repeated so the creditors and conspirators can move their companies in to exploit the country and people and bank the coin,

Your philosophy does not fit their agenda any further than what they want you to think so they can move in a 'clean out the rot'.
Others that resisted before, got jackals, sanctions or war (or the constant threat of) or assassinated as 'brutal dictators' and 'terrorists'.

I hope I am wrong and you are right.

Don't worry Max! I am right!

The Troika hasn't pillaged either Greece or Cyprus, although I do believe Cyprus was treated differently and more unfairly compared to others such as Greece.

At the end of the day, the key objective is to restructure the country and Banking system, to sustainable levels because they do not want to keep bailing them out all the time. There are also a number of other conditions that both countries must abide by in order to be bailed out and that is a very good thing. They also demand action on a range of issues, one being transparency which Greece and Cyprus were never good at and also certain things must be privatized (some countries have done this on their own accord so it's not a bad thing).

At the end of the day, there will be progress but it will be slow progress.

[Maximus]

I do not think you are right. really.

At best, I think you mean well are being naïve and lead like a lamb to slaughter..

[zan]

I am wondering how this thing with the UK chasing big corporations for tax fits into all of this. Apple for instance?

[Maximus]

I am wondering how this thing with the UK chasing big corporations for tax fits into all of this. Apple for instance?

Try to answer this Zan,

[Paphitis]

I do not think you are right. really.

At best, I think you mean well are being naïve and lead like a lamb to slaughter..

I think you need to be less cynical because the fact is there is genuine concern when countries like Cyprus, Greece, Italy, Spain or Portugal go under. There are no winners in these scenarios just losers all round and the people suffer too.

there is nothing the Bankers can take that can in any way pay for what was lost from their perspective, and even the Troika is a big loser because they need to provide a haircut (lost money) and bail out (cheap as chips loan).

[Maximus]

I do not think you are right. really.

At best, I think you mean well are being naïve and lead like a lamb to slaughter..

I think you need to be less cynical because the fact is there is genuine concern when countries like Cyprus, Greece, Italy, Spain or Portugal go under. There are no winners in these scenarios just losers all round and the people suffer too.

there is nothing the Bankers can take that can in any way pay for what was lost from their perspective, and even the Troika is a big loser because they need to provide a haircut (lost money) and bail out (cheap as chips loan).

and the money for these bribes and cheap as chips loans was created by these bankers out of thin air and forced on to the suffering people like a scorching hot potato..

how can you say now, that there is genuine concern, when a few pages back you say Greece has little to offer? why the concern?

some other country that has a lot more to offer because Greece never really had much to begin with.