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[Paphitis]

And another thing. let's say there is a Military Coup in Greece and Turkey. The Military is now in charge in both countries. It is now the legal authority in both those countries.

No International Laws broken. I am not talking about violations of constitution of either country but internationally speaking there is very little that can be done.

So how would other countries view the Military Regimes in Greece and Turkey? Well it is very likely that the Coup might be condemned by a number of countries around the world and the EU itself. But let's say if the US, China, or Australia are negotiating trade deals with both Greece and Turkey. These countries will still negotiate, trade and even uphold diplomatic relations with both countries. In other words, they will fully recognize the new Military Administrations in both countries, and that makes their authority very legal as far as these countries are concerned. Do you agree?

[Maximus]

And another thing. let's say there is a Military Coup in Greece and Turkey. The Military is now in charge in both countries. It is now the legal authority in both those countries.

No International Laws broken. I am not talking about violations of constitution of either country but internationally speaking there is very little that can be done.

So how would other countries view the Military Regimes in Greece and Turkey? Well it is very likely that the Coup might be condemned by a number of countries around the world and the EU itself. But let's say if the US, China, or Australia are negotiating trade deals with both Greece and Turkey. These countries will still negotiate, trade and even uphold diplomatic relations with both countries. In other words, they will fully recognize the new Military Administrations in both countries, and that makes their authority very legal as far as these countries are concerned. Do you agree?

In the grand scheme of things, a coup is just one possibility amongst many, a means to an end.

The end is a country friendly to or a regime change that is friendly to US corporations and government interests. If the military offers this through a coup, so be it.

[Maximus]

her you go Paphitis,

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/08/world ... .html?_r=0

At the time, Mr. Kantas, a wiry former military officer, did not actually have the authority to decide much of anything on his own. But corruption was so rampant inside the Greek equivalent of the Pentagon that even a man of his relatively modest rank, he testified recently, was able to amass nearly $19 million in just five years on the job.

[zan]

Where do Germany and France fit into this?

Where did they come from first of all?

Then is there a change of status after the phone hacking? Don't get me wrong, I believe in some of the accusations but am finding it difficult to explain the developed worlds presence and role. Most conspiracies are selective and narrow. When you expand the theory it breaks down. I believe the US have started the Syrian war and are instrumental in trying to dislodge Erdogan ( who I don't like). I also believe they have used Greece and "RoC" to force a deal, who helped by cooking the books. I can remember the first pictures of the long line of Iraqi soldiers and tanks massacred (160,00 men) that disappeared from the news the very next day.

yes, the phone hacking is another layer of mistrust amongst allies.

The US are involved in Syria but so too is Turkey and some other countries but I do not think the US is actually involved in trying to dislodge Erdogan because he is very corrupt and highly corruptible which means he is a useful tool to serve the US's interests.

I think though, that Erdogan had gone against previous deals and that is why he was asking the army, that he tried to break up, to help in a national emergency from outsiders. I suppose that fits the conspiracy but not necessarily at a global scale.

[Maximus]

Where do Germany and France fit into this?

Where did they come from first of all?

Then is there a change of status after the phone hacking? Don't get me wrong, I believe in some of the accusations but am finding it difficult to explain the developed worlds presence and role. Most conspiracies are selective and narrow. When you expand the theory it breaks down. I believe the US have started the Syrian war and are instrumental in trying to dislodge Erdogan ( who I don't like). I also believe they have used Greece and "RoC" to force a deal, who helped by cooking the books. I can remember the first pictures of the long line of Iraqi soldiers and tanks massacred (160,00 men) that disappeared from the news the very next day.

yes, the phone hacking is another layer of mistrust amongst allies.

The US are involved in Syria but so too is Turkey and some other countries but I do not think the US is actually involved in trying to dislodge Erdogan because he is very corrupt and highly corruptible which means he is a useful tool to serve the US's interests.

I think though, that Erdogan had gone against previous deals and that is why he was asking the army, that he tried to break up, to help in a national emergency from outsiders. I suppose that fits the conspiracy but not necessarily at a global scale.

Maybe,

So why would he do this?

A) he doesn't want the military to intervene so he can continue perverting the constitution and being corrupt.
B) he is planning to go against the US's interests and doesn't want the military to corrupted and used against him by outsiders.
C) The US doesn't want the military to dispose of him because he is a useful tool for their interests so they changed it in cahoots with Erdogan to keep him in power..

[zan]

Maybe,

So why would he do this?

A) he doesn't want the military to intervene so he can continue perverting the constitution and being corrupt.
B) he is planning to go against the US's interests and doesn't want the military to corrupted and used against him by outsiders.
C) The US doesn't want the military to dispose of him because he is a useful tool for their interests so they changed it in cahoots with Erdogan to keep him in power..

I am not absolutely sure I understand what you are saying but I think his call for the army to unite with him was so they would not use the opening to get rid of him for what he did to them rather than the US corrupting the army, although that might have a smaller significance. If what the conspiracy is saying is true then that would have been the best thing to do anyway. Close ranks and shut the US out. Erdogan might have finally realised that the system Ataturk put in place was the best defence after all.

[Maximus]

Maybe,

So why would he do this?

A) he doesn't want the military to intervene so he can continue perverting the constitution and being corrupt.
B) he is planning to go against the US's interests and doesn't want the military to corrupted and used against him by outsiders.
C) The US doesn't want the military to dispose of him because he is a useful tool for their interests so they changed it in cahoots with Erdogan to keep him in power..

I am not absolutely sure I understand what you are saying but I think his call for the army to unite with him was so they would not use the opening to get rid of him for what he did to them rather than the US corrupting the army, although that might have a smaller significance. If what the conspiracy is saying is true then that would have been the best thing to do anyway. Close ranks and shut the US out. Erdogan might have finally realised that the system Ataturk put in place was the best defence after all.

The US (the allies) created the image of Ataturk, Turkey and Turkey's system. You cant shut them out without shutting down Turkey.

[zan]

Maybe,

So why would he do this?

A) he doesn't want the military to intervene so he can continue perverting the constitution and being corrupt.
B) he is planning to go against the US's interests and doesn't want the military to corrupted and used against him by outsiders.
C) The US doesn't want the military to dispose of him because he is a useful tool for their interests so they changed it in cahoots with Erdogan to keep him in power..

I am not absolutely sure I understand what you are saying but I think his call for the army to unite with him was so they would not use the opening to get rid of him for what he did to them rather than the US corrupting the army, although that might have a smaller significance. If what the conspiracy is saying is true then that would have been the best thing to do anyway. Close ranks and shut the US out. Erdogan might have finally realised that the system Ataturk put in place was the best defence after all.

The US (the allies) created the image of Ataturk, Turkey and Turkey's system. You cant shut them out without shutting down Turkey.

Not sure they were that powerful then but maybe??

[Paphitis]

her you go Paphitis,

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/08/world ... .html?_r=0

At the time, Mr. Kantas, a wiry former military officer, did not actually have the authority to decide much of anything on his own. But corruption was so rampant inside the Greek equivalent of the Pentagon that even a man of his relatively modest rank, he testified recently, was able to amass nearly $19 million in just five years on the job.

I really don't see what this has to do with the US.

Recently, German Company Siemens bribed the former PASOK Defence Minister into signing a contract to purchase 4 German Submarines and if that wasn't enough, as part of the same deal, they also bribed the AKEL Defence Minister into buying some missiles.

You all know the story.

We are as corrupt as all hell, and that has very little to do with the Americans or Germans. Fact is, this kind of thing is less likely in the US, because if you get caught, you would probably end up as someone's prison bitch!

[Paphitis]

And another thing. let's say there is a Military Coup in Greece and Turkey. The Military is now in charge in both countries. It is now the legal authority in both those countries.

No International Laws broken. I am not talking about violations of constitution of either country but internationally speaking there is very little that can be done.

So how would other countries view the Military Regimes in Greece and Turkey? Well it is very likely that the Coup might be condemned by a number of countries around the world and the EU itself. But let's say if the US, China, or Australia are negotiating trade deals with both Greece and Turkey. These countries will still negotiate, trade and even uphold diplomatic relations with both countries. In other words, they will fully recognize the new Military Administrations in both countries, and that makes their authority very legal as far as these countries are concerned. Do you agree?

In the grand scheme of things, a coup is just one possibility amongst many, a means to an end.

The end is a country friendly to or a regime change that is friendly to US corporations and government interests. If the military offers this through a coup, so be it.

is that right Max?

So why did the US want regime change in Greece? Didn't they like their lapdog George Karamanlis? Did the have a lovers tiff or something?

See what I mean? You guys come up with all these elaborate schemes of "regime change" whilst all along the US already had their lapdog in office.

So the conclusion can only be that some Military Officers in Greece decided to have a Coup, and that had nothing whatsoever to do with the US, but they went along with it.