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Re: Ukraine - The reality of war.

Postby Paphitis » Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:40 pm

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:This does not cut it Paphitis,

you say I am an intelligent man and you speak of facts, then point me to them.


Yes it does.

The Ukrainian People do not want Yanukovych and there are warrants for his arrest.

He has rejected an EU Association Agreement and opted for closer ties with Russia instead and this has resulted in mass protests and unrest against him by pro European Ukrainians, before he went into self imposed exile to the country that has undermined Ukraine and its people. Now Russia is arming ethnic Russians in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine forcing the State into action. Why?


Why...

cyprus42183-10.html#p789605


well you're completely off track.

The US would normally be in favour of Russian gas because it diversifies and increases the EU's and their own Energy Security. The more the better as far as they are concerned.

They don't care who makes the money, and RH is right to tell you that it is not about that, but it is about keeping the cog wheels of European and North American Industry turning. Where it comes from is neither here nor there. As long as it comes, and it comes from many sources and prices stay down, they are happy. They prefer an over supply.

They are also loving the fact that Cypriot/Israeli/Egyptian Energy will be added in a few years time.

And you watch. If the situation in Ukraine calms down, the sanctions will be repealed and they will be buying (EU) Russian Energy whenever it is available in the market place.
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Re: Ukraine - The reality of war.

Postby Maximus » Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:02 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:This does not cut it Paphitis,

you say I am an intelligent man and you speak of facts, then point me to them.


Yes it does.

The Ukrainian People do not want Yanukovych and there are warrants for his arrest.

He has rejected an EU Association Agreement and opted for closer ties with Russia instead and this has resulted in mass protests and unrest against him by pro European Ukrainians, before he went into self imposed exile to the country that has undermined Ukraine and its people. Now Russia is arming ethnic Russians in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine forcing the State into action. Why?


Why...

cyprus42183-10.html#p789605


well you're completely off track.

The US would normally be in favour of Russian gas because it diversifies and increases the EU's and their own Energy Security. The more the better as far as they are concerned.

They don't care who makes the money, and RH is right to tell you that it is not about that, but it is about keeping the cog wheels of European and North American Industry turning. Where it comes from is neither here nor there. As long as it comes, and it comes from many sources and prices stay down, they are happy. They prefer an over supply.

They are also loving the fact that Cypriot/Israeli/Egyptian Energy will be added in a few years time.

And you watch. If the situation in Ukraine calms down, the sanctions will be repealed and they will be buying (EU) Russian Energy whenever it is available in the market place.


No. RH said I am on the right track.

You also agree with that opinion, which has come straight from the horses mouth.

Here it is again,

Washington doesn’t care what happens to Eastern or Western Europe, it is trying to hurt Russia, and Washington thinks that if it can stop Russia’s ability to sell gas to Europe, this will have an adverse economic effect on Russia. Of course it will also have an adverse economic effect on Europe, in fact, probably worse, because German industry is dependent on Russian energy supplies, and all Europe is dependent on Russia’s energy supplies not to freeze to death in the winter time. What you see here is the Washington empire, the exceptional and indispensible people who are superior to all other life forms, completely willing to sacrifice their allies in order to hurt Russia. That’s all it about. That is not about anything else.

- Paul Craig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury
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Re: Ukraine - The reality of war.

Postby Maximus » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:23 pm

And it is in fact moving in that direction.

Ukraine owes $1.95B to Russia in outstanding gas payments and is now preparing to cut the supply line on Monday.

http://rt.com/business/165764-ukraine-stop-russia-gas/
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Re: Ukraine - The reality of war.

Postby Paphitis » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:57 pm

Maximus wrote:And it is in fact moving in that direction.

Ukraine owes $1.95B to Russia in outstanding gas payments and is now preparing to cut the supply line on Monday.

http://rt.com/business/165764-ukraine-stop-russia-gas/


Russia can stick their supply line up their bum!

In a few years, Ukraine can get some good Cypriot/Israeli Gas!
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Re: Ukraine - The reality of war.

Postby Paphitis » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:59 pm

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:This does not cut it Paphitis,

you say I am an intelligent man and you speak of facts, then point me to them.


Yes it does.

The Ukrainian People do not want Yanukovych and there are warrants for his arrest.

He has rejected an EU Association Agreement and opted for closer ties with Russia instead and this has resulted in mass protests and unrest against him by pro European Ukrainians, before he went into self imposed exile to the country that has undermined Ukraine and its people. Now Russia is arming ethnic Russians in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine forcing the State into action. Why?


Why...

cyprus42183-10.html#p789605


well you're completely off track.

The US would normally be in favour of Russian gas because it diversifies and increases the EU's and their own Energy Security. The more the better as far as they are concerned.

They don't care who makes the money, and RH is right to tell you that it is not about that, but it is about keeping the cog wheels of European and North American Industry turning. Where it comes from is neither here nor there. As long as it comes, and it comes from many sources and prices stay down, they are happy. They prefer an over supply.

They are also loving the fact that Cypriot/Israeli/Egyptian Energy will be added in a few years time.

And you watch. If the situation in Ukraine calms down, the sanctions will be repealed and they will be buying (EU) Russian Energy whenever it is available in the market place.


No. RH said I am on the right track.

You also agree with that opinion, which has come straight from the horses mouth.

Here it is again,

Washington doesn’t care what happens to Eastern or Western Europe, it is trying to hurt Russia, and Washington thinks that if it can stop Russia’s ability to sell gas to Europe, this will have an adverse economic effect on Russia. Of course it will also have an adverse economic effect on Europe, in fact, probably worse, because German industry is dependent on Russian energy supplies, and all Europe is dependent on Russia’s energy supplies not to freeze to death in the winter time. What you see here is the Washington empire, the exceptional and indispensible people who are superior to all other life forms, completely willing to sacrifice their allies in order to hurt Russia. That’s all it about. That is not about anything else.

- Paul Craig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury


Both of you are tainted, you more so, because you couldn't come up with any logical geopolitical explanations which means that you just got a bee in your bonnet!
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Re: Ukraine - The reality of war.

Postby Maximus » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:00 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:And it is in fact moving in that direction.

Ukraine owes $1.95B to Russia in outstanding gas payments and is now preparing to cut the supply line on Monday.

http://rt.com/business/165764-ukraine-stop-russia-gas/


Russia can stick their supply line up their bum!

In a few years, Ukraine can get some good Cypriot/Israeli Gas!


Really Paphitis?
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Re: Ukraine - The reality of war.

Postby Maximus » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:02 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Both of you are tainted, you more so, because you couldn't come up with any logical geopolitical explanations which means that you just got a bee in your bonnet!


I am answering you in a language you understand,

Business is business my friend.
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Re: Ukraine - The reality of war.

Postby Paphitis » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:05 pm

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Both of you are tainted, you more so, because you couldn't come up with any logical geopolitical explanations which means that you just got a bee in your bonnet!


I am answering you in a language you understand,

Business is business my friend.


That's fine! Business is business and I am certain that Ukrainians will want to tell Russia to stick their pipeline up their bum.
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Re: Ukraine - The reality of war.

Postby Maximus » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:07 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Both of you are tainted, you more so, because you couldn't come up with any logical geopolitical explanations which means that you just got a bee in your bonnet!


I am answering you in a language you understand,

Business is business my friend.


That's fine! Business is business and I am certain that Ukrainians will want to stick their pipeline up their bum.


No they dont,

why would they want to do that?
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Re: Ukraine - The reality of war.

Postby Paphitis » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:08 pm

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Both of you are tainted, you more so, because you couldn't come up with any logical geopolitical explanations which means that you just got a bee in your bonnet!


I am answering you in a language you understand,

Business is business my friend.


That's fine! Business is business and I am certain that Ukrainians will want to stick their pipeline up their bum.


No they dont,

why would they want to do that?


Yeh they do!

Russian interference is not welcome amongst Ukrainians.
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