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[Nikitas]

So, people originated in the Rift Valley in Africa, traveled north and settled the Near East, then migrated west by sea and north west by land. So far we have the same pool of humans travelling via different routes. Then we have the west and southern migrations that brought the Dorian tribes to Greece etc. So where is the difference between all these people if they all originated from the Rift Valley?

Is there some evidence to support the view that GR puts forth that the Near Easterners were somehow different or superior?

And one more fact that is more certain than these anthropological conjectural theories. Up to the Middle Ages navigation was coastal navigation, carried out mostly in daylight and within sight of land. The idea that early seafarers sailed directly from Cyprus to Crete is no go. They went along the shore they could see, the same way that the later migration went from Greece to Cyprus. The distance observer to horizon at sea is nine miles.

[supporttheunderdog]

So, people originated in the Rift Valley in Africa, traveled north and settled the Near East, then migrated west by sea and north west by land. So far we have the same pool of humans travelling via different routes. Then we have the west and southern migrations that brought the Dorian tribes to Greece etc. So where is the difference between all these people if they all originated from the Rift Valley?

Is there some evidence to support the view that GR puts forth that the Near Easterners were somehow different or superior?

And one more fact that is more certain than these anthropological conjectural theories. Up to the Middle Ages navigation was coastal navigation, carried out mostly in daylight and within sight of land. The idea that early seafarers sailed directly from Cyprus to Crete is no go. They went along the shore they could see, the same way that the later migration went from Greece to Cyprus. The distance observer to horizon at sea is nine miles.

The big question is, how big, when and over what period was any migration from Greece?

[repulsewarrior]

"from Greece", what does that mean?

[supporttheunderdog]

"from Greece", what does that mean?

Indeed....

[Sotos]

"from Greece", what does that mean?

Indeed....

Indeed! There were no nations in 10.000BC! Neanderthal remains were found in what is now Belgium. Does it mean that those Neanderthals were Belgian or that Belgians are Neanderthals?

[repulsewarrior]

sort of a circle come round then, what with Humanity the center of who we are (whoever we are)...

...returning as it were: Lest we Forget.

[supporttheunderdog]

"from Greece", what does that mean?

Indeed....

Indeed! There were no nations in 10.000BC! Neanderthal remains were found in what is now Belgium. Does it mean that those Neanderthals were Belgian or that Belgians are Neanderthals?

Indeed, Indeed! Though there were no nations 12000 years ago, we should not forget that the labels "Greece" and "Belgium" can have both a modern geopolitical meaning as well as a geographical meaning, where it is a label describing an area now forming part of the modern political entity.

However though Genetics suggests Eurasians have some 1% to 4 % Neanderthal DNA in us, possibly through limited interbreeding probably early on , as modern humans came out of Africa, by and large the archaeological evidence tends to suggest Neanderthals, who were adapted for colder conditions, appear to have mostly died out in much of Europe before the spread of modern humans, indeed probably 45000 years ago, and save for the limited amount of neanderthal DNA we all carry, one cannot describe anyone as being neanderthal on the basis that remains were found in an area now forming a part of a particular geopolitical entity.