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[MrH]

Why is it impossible for a politically motivated, and so-called inspired, negotiated Solutions process for the island of Cyprus?

Because there is not enough time? The leaders don't want or need a solution? No! It's ultimately because, by the time the Two (any two) Presidents (leaders) arrive at some kind of agreement, their respective Presidential campaigns start, they lose the election, all of the agreed and negotiated material is reset and it all starts again with two newly elected Presidents again. Hence - which is why a soltuion can not be left to our two leaders? Just moments ago, we once again witnessed that Nicos Anastasiades is tabling proposals with preconditions and has dismissed all that was agreed by former GC leader Demetris Christofias. Here we go again, another 4-8 years down the drain.

The search for a Cyprus (Federal based BBF) solution has now lost its significance so deeply that the MAJORITY of the Entire population of the island of Cyprus were born after the Coup and intervention of 1974, and even more from 1963. In other words, the people on the ground, the younger generations in comparison to those like me, do not know, nor care about the search for an old-defining solution. If the former Yugoslavian model of a solution is anything to go by, in practical terms, Cyprus is so on its way to a TWO STATE solution. Even the Palestinians and Israelis are negotiating such a solution!

The bottom line here is that a Solution based on a BBF formula, and definitely a Unitary idea, is long gone thanks to our political leader - but more the Greek Cypriot administration for dramatically changing its stance from 1979. Do you want a BBF, Unitary, Two State, Divorce.....be honest and make up your minds as even the UN is confused. If its a Unitary state you truly want, then let us all "OFFCIALLY" read it in tomorrow's papers as it's NOT what your leaders are saying as they are obviously not Bold enough to admit to it like Denktas was.

At least be honest with yourselves!

[Maximus]

here is a solution to your problem MrH

be honest with yourself, there is no need to get married or divorced or delude yourself in to thinking that you are a twin from another mother.

accept that the Turkish Cypriots are an ethnic minority in Cyprus
accept that they and foreign settlers are occupying Greek Cypriot homes and business's and these should be returned
accept that Cyprus is one country, democratic and in the EU.
accept that the settlers have no say or vote in anything and arrangements should be made for their safe departure.
accept that Turkey has to pay compensation, release Varosha, depart from Cyprus and respect her sovereign integrity.

Anything else? this can be resolved through civil European law.

[repulsewarrior]

here is a solution to your problem MrH

be honest with yourself, there is no need to get married or divorced or delude yourself in to thinking that you are a twin from another mother.

accept that the Turkish Cypriots are an ethnic minority in Cyprus
accept that they and foreign settlers are occupying Greek Cypriot homes and business's and these should be returned
accept that Cyprus is one country, democratic and in the EU.
accept that the settlers have no say or vote in anything and arrangements should be made for their safe departure.
accept that Turkey has to pay compensation, release Varosha, depart from Cyprus and respect her sovereign integrity.

Anything else? this can be resolved through civil European law.

and even with my idealistic sense of Bicommunal, and Bizonal to be the defining template for the reform of Turkey's State, (the Cyprus Problem) it ends with the same conclusion, one Flag must fly higher; well said Maximus (although I imagine you mean, by "settlers", to be, those unwilling to change, and those whose intention are not Cypriot, first.)

...MrH, you may demand the "Greeks" in Cyprus to submit to their subjugation (as "Turks" do), identified as a Constituency and as such equal, within the Cypriot State, being Bicommunal. I would agree with you, but by the same token, wouldn't you agree with me that Turkey too, needs 'one Flag higher', Turkey too, can be identified by Turkish Constituencies, and for the self representation of Kurds, Alevi, and others as Persons, a Turkic (if you will) Constituency is needed as well; other-wise, wouldn't you agree, shouldn't we expect the eventual break-up of Turkey, as it is today, for the same reasons?

[erolz66]

here is a solution to your problem MrH

be honest with yourself,

accept that ......

And what do you accept maximus ?

Do you accept that if not for the resistance of the TC community there would be no sovereign nation state of Cyprus today ?

Do you accept that GC at the highest levels of leadership used illegal force, paramilitary thugs, terror and murder against innocent TC in the pursuit of their political goals from 64 ?

It seems to me you demand acceptance from others whilst accepting nothing yourself.

[Viewpoint]

erol what do you expect he is an elam supporter from Greece.

[Get Real!]

Why is it impossible for a politically motivated, and so-called inspired, negotiated Solutions process for the island of Cyprus?

Because nobody’s interested in handing any power to a handful of Turkish agents who claim to have special rights.

[Maximus]

here is a solution to your problem MrH

be honest with yourself,

accept that ......

And what do you accept maximus ?

Do you accept that if not for the resistance of the TC community there would be no sovereign nation state of Cyprus today ?

Do you accept that GC at the highest levels of leadership used illegal force, paramilitary thugs, terror and murder against innocent TC in the pursuit of their political goals from 64 ?

It seems to me you demand acceptance from others whilst accepting nothing yourself.

The TC's never wanted independence for Cyprus, they were always trying to quell the GC's freedom. alternative history will dictate that if the TC community did not campaign for TAKSIM, or use illegal force (Turkish guarantees) to maintain their apartheid in Cyprus there would not have been a civil war or an invasion in 1974.

There would be no problem today so, its not an excuse to not accept the things I have mentioned above to resolve it.

what you are asking me to accept resolves nothing and does not solve the problem.

[Maximus]

erol what do you expect he is an elam supporter from Greece.

Really?

The Turks still living in Cyprus after the collapse of the Ottoman empire and throughout Britains colonial rule on the island did not become Turkish Cypriots until 1960. And that is, they only became Turkish Cypriots on paper.

[erolz66]

what you are asking me to accept resolves nothing and does not solve the problem.

If you think you demanding acceptance from others whilst accepting nothing yourself is not at the core of why we have so far failed to find a solution, so be it. You just illustrate my point all the more. Sure in theory a solution where by you accept nothing (no failures, no illegalities, no fault, no complicity, no wrong doing what so ever) and we accept everything you demand (all our fault) is possible but in the real world it is exactly this kind of maximalist approach h (on both sides) that has got us where we are today and sustains the status quo.

[Viewpoint]

Well said erol, as far as they continue to see us as a minority and that the whole island is Greek we will never unite.