by repulsewarrior » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:14 pm
Maximus wrote:
here is a solution to your problem MrH
be honest with yourself, there is no need to get married or divorced or delude yourself in to thinking that you are a twin from another mother.
accept that the Turkish Cypriots are an ethnic minority in Cyprus
accept that they and foreign settlers are occupying Greek Cypriot homes and business's and these should be returned
accept that Cyprus is one country, democratic and in the EU.
accept that the settlers have no say or vote in anything and arrangements should be made for their safe departure.
accept that Turkey has to pay compensation, release Varosha, depart from Cyprus and respect her sovereign integrity.
Anything else? this can be resolved through civil European law.
and even with my idealistic sense of Bicommunal, and Bizonal to be the defining template for the reform of Turkey's State, (the Cyprus Problem) it ends with the same conclusion, one Flag must fly higher; well said Maximus (although I imagine you mean, by "settlers", to be, those unwilling to change, and those whose intention are not Cypriot, first.)
...MrH, you may demand the "Greeks" in Cyprus to submit to their subjugation (as "Turks" do), identified as a Constituency and as such equal, within the Cypriot State, being Bicommunal. I would agree with you, but by the same token, wouldn't you agree with me that Turkey too, needs 'one Flag higher', Turkey too, can be identified by Turkish Constituencies, and for the self representation of Kurds, Alevi, and others as Persons, a Turkic (if you will) Constituency is needed as well; other-wise, wouldn't you agree, shouldn't we expect the eventual break-up of Turkey, as it is today, for the same reasons?
(1) The very idea and mentioning of "Foreign settlers" and "Ethnic minorities" goes against the original 1959/60 agreement that was signed by the TWO Bi-Communal founders that Britain had relinquished the island to.
(2) The Greek and Turkish Cypriots are not Ethnic minorities of the island but Co-Founding partners of the Original "Cyprus Republic".
(3) The "Island" of Cyprus is one, you are correct there, but the idea of One State and One universal Presidency based on a Democratic vote after Cyprus's Bloody history of Inter-communal mistrust and suffering will NEVER happen. Sorry, but the Turkish and Greek Cypriots have already been there "Yugoslavian" style, done it, and worn the T-Shirt. This is where you are very much out of tune.
(4) The worse scenario, it remains the same, while the only way forward as I have mentioned in many other posts is for a Clean "Yugoslavian" style break and the establishment of mutual respect based on two Cyprus states.
(5) Turkey will never bow to Greek Cypriot demands as it will never join the EU and clearly does not wish to - its candidacy is only there as an economic confidence building measure (read some Reuters and Bloomberg based reports!).
(6) The so-called "Settlers" from turkey are no Different now as the Settlers from the EU in the GC-ROC, Russians, Pakistanis and those from Greece - we know everything that happens on your side. Blame the EU on that one as we were laughing the moment you joined the Corrupt and racist club.....good luck in ever getting your Economic "Cyprus Pound" power back or demographic stability. The Greek Cypriots are heading for a minority status in their own land within the next 20-40 years, if not less.
(7) As for the Flag issue, again, since the GC lead "ROC" joined the EU, like its formerly used currency, it's Flag has now been replaced with the EU's flag - period. Unlike Italy, UK, Germany and etc, Cyprus' population is too low and insignificant to mean or make fundamental changes. If you had listened to your anti-EU demonstrators prior to entering the EU in April 2004, a watered-down Greek Cypriot future in Cyprus was one of their major concerns. The next time you go for a walk around Larnaca, Nicosia or Limassol please do look around you and you will no doubt feel a huge "Greek Cypriot" presence missing from today's EU-controlled Cyprus society. If Britain is feeling the pinch, Cyprus is most certainly in deep trouble.
And...if all your other Cyprus solution based scenarios fail, just think about what has been achieved to date from 1974 and how little the Greek Cypriots have failed to force Turkey's hand, even after joining the all NON-Powerful EU!! Even Russia is unable to help as Turkey would simply force the recognition of many other inter-Russian states if it tries to interfere with the Cyprus issue.
Before asking me a question, or stating some childish GC based Facts and scenarios, please think outside the box first!
You will never get honest answers or you are talking to those who don't really know Nikitas. I admit she is using the situation but a remote supporter, just like Greece would suit her to the ground if....... The TCs had the same status as the GCs. She is following the line set by the two bullies US and UK. The Russians also have an undeniable role. Can you imagine Nikitas if this fleet of ships in the South have Russian naval presence. The British bases would have to go. Where would they go? North. A thin blue line separating them. Just like Makarios played the Russians against the Americans, successive GC " presidents" are doing the same. The TCs are holding on by their finger nails because we are the dispensable factor. I believe if it were not for the age of the media we are in, the US and UK would have given the go ahead for the TC problem, shall we say, to be solved once and for all, if the Russian problem was not a threat. Not all scenarios are here but hope you get my drift.
