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[Pyrpolizer]

And another incident he told me from another Asian Political asylum seeker who was complaining at the office from where they get their money.
The guy told the officer " What is this, this money is not enough you are not not a good European Country, in the UK my relatives get much more, I will tell my friends back home not to come here, you are such a shitty country"

[Pyrpolizer]

Yet there are striking differences which you chose to ignore in this over generalization/continuity effort for example all GC leaders, high ranking government officials etc, Klerides, Makarios, Papadopoulos were all Eoka 55-59 leaders but not leaders or even members of the rest.

Interior minister is not a 'high ranking official' ? Papadopoulous and Klerides were nothing to do with 'the organisation' referred to in the Akritas plan ? Come on !

Klerides nothing. And there is no evidence that Papadopoulos wrote the Akritas plan.

[erolz66]

Yet there are striking differences which you chose to ignore in this over generalization/continuity effort for example all GC leaders, high ranking government officials etc, Klerides, Makarios, Papadopoulos were all Eoka 55-59 leaders but not leaders or even members of the rest.

Interior minister is not a 'high ranking official' ? Papadopoulous and Klerides were nothing to do with 'the organisation' referred to in the Akritas plan ? Come on !

Klerides nothing. And there is no evidence that Papadopoulos wrote the Akritas plan.

If you say so (choose to believe so). There is in fact copious evidence of Tassos Papadopoulous' involvement in 'the organisation', much of it from Klerides himself but I am not going to argue with you about it here. If you want to believe that the GC leadership (with the exception of Yirorjardis) rejected the pursuit of enosis via the use of illegal force en mass after 1960, you go ahead and believe that. I do not.

[Pyrpolizer]

By all means show me the evidence that Papadpoulos wrote the Akritas Plan. I never said the GC stopped pursuing Enosis.
However most of GC leadership was just words, no action and no action in organizations like ethinko metopo or eoka b.
You on the other hand if you chose to beleive it was that difficult for the GC leadership to declare Enosis ANYTIME if they really wanted to feel free to beleive that. Denktash himself admitted it in his book, he said "after I saw the landing of the Greek division of troops, i thought it was all over".When was that 1967?
The situation is much more complex the way I see it.
Imo after 1960 GC leaders (Makarios included) just tasted the meaning of power. They wouldn't be stupid to lose those benefits by Enosis.And that's they reason they did not go ahead and do it.
Same happened with your "trnc" leaders.

[Pyrpolizer]

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[Get Real!]

...I would think, from the coupist's standpoint they failed, simply put.

...results must count for something.

...it was not the Turkish Army that put them down, it was their own momentum that brought their coup to an end; they were not even in essence defeated, because they did not remain in power long enough, how does that amount to any success? and yet you deny the failure due to lack of support, in this case, that may well be true, because they did not retain power, nor were they able to defend their power, without it.

I’m not sure what you mean here…

As far as coups go it was a huge success in that it had the support of about 40% of the GC population, sustained the loss of just 100 odd expendable men, and was thus able to wrap things up fairly quickly (2-3 days?) during which they achieved all their short term objectives and fully consolidated power.

Coups just don’t get any more successful than that… but their only “unforeseen” problem was an invading Turkish military which had landed to spoil the party and resulted in a short-lived takeover due to their resignation and fleeing.

[repulsewarrior]

...I would think, from the coupist's standpoint they failed, simply put.

...results must count for something.

...it was not the Turkish Army that put them down, it was their own momentum that brought their coup to an end; they were not even in essence defeated, because they did not remain in power long enough, how does that amount to any success? and yet you deny the failure due to lack of support, in this case, that may well be true, because they did not retain power, nor were they able to defend their power, without it.

I’m not sure what you mean here…

As far as coups go it was a huge success in that it had the support of about 40% of the GC population, sustained the loss of just 100 odd expendable men, and was thus able to wrap things up fairly quickly (2-3 days?) during which they achieved all their short term objectives and fully consolidated power.

Coups just don’t get any more successful than that… but their only “unforeseen” problem was an invading Turkish military which had landed to spoil the party and resulted in a short-lived takeover due to their resignation and fleeing.

...""unforeseen" problem", do you realise how stupid that sounds? they were wildly successful, but they ran away? what are you an apologists, some kind of closet "Greek"? is this what we can expect from "Greek" Nationalism; excuses and after the bedlam they themselves caused, claims of success because they met "short term" goals, having wrecked a country? what of trying to save democracy, this is a pitiful excuse if I've ever seen one, where was the democracy in their actions?

[GreekIslandGirl]

I think if we were in the position you are then the numbers on our side that would say 'Cyprus is Turkish' would not be that different from those on yours that say its Greek.

However, Cyprus being Greek is factually correct.

[MR-from-NG]

The place is a shithole so who gives a fuck if it's greek or turkish. The developed/civilised world don't even discuss this fucking hellhole anymore.

[Lordo]

Yet there are striking differences which you chose to ignore in this over generalization/continuity effort for example all GC leaders, high ranking government officials etc, Klerides, Makarios, Papadopoulos were all Eoka 55-59 leaders but not leaders or even members of the rest.

Interior minister is not a 'high ranking official' ? Papadopoulous and Klerides were nothing to do with 'the organisation' referred to in the Akritas plan ? Come on !

Klerides nothing. And there is no evidence that Papadopoulos wrote the Akritas plan.

what happened to the evidence then, did somebody run out of toilet paper. according to you swine there was no eoga in the 60s and babadobillos did not write the akritas plan, what else are we revising today. perhaps gcs never wanted enosis right. it must be that next.