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[Pyrpolizer]

That's like saying that because Denktash formed the TMT together with others, that his "trnc" are also TMT.

I do not think so ? I am not saying that those in sien fein today who were in the IRA previously have a continuity of people, goals and means. Their means today have definitely changed, arguably their goals have, even though there is a continuity of people. What I am saying is that there is a continuity between the IRA then and the real IRA now of people, goals and means. Just as there was the same continuity for those in eoka b in 74 back through 'the organisation' and back to eoka. The real IRA has less support than the IRA had but it does not change the fact of the continuity of people, goals and means.

There is a 'thesis' that eoka b was somehow an entirely separate entity with no connection back to eoka, in terms of people, means and goals and it is just BS propaganda as far as I am concerned not rooted in truth or reality.

Samson was a brutal thug willing to use illegal force and violence on innocents to achieve his political aims, when he was in eoka and after 60 and on to when he was in eoka b. Same person , pursuing the same goal using the same means. As was Yiorkatsis. The idea that these people were 'noble warriors' pre 60 and 'vicious thugs' by 74 (or when they were taken out and killed in the case of Yiorkatsis) is not one that I subscribe to. They were vicious thugs in 55, as they still were in 64 and were in 74 (or when they were killed in the case of Yiorkatsis). They were pursuing enosis in 55, they were pursuing enosis in 65 and they were pursuing enosis in 74. They were willing to use illegal violence against those who stood in the way of their goals in 55, in 65 and in 74.

Actually the Sampson , Yiorkatzis and other groups had no reason to even be activated IF your own side was not building armaments en mass and rapidly from 1960-1962. Until 1962 the GC side and those groups were TOTALLY ARMELESS.And it is not the GC side that had a Military General from Turkey in each and every villages preparing god knows what. Or you think your side was acting legally and the rest were not LOL.

[erolz66]

Actually the Sampson , Yiorkatzis and other groups had no reason to even be activated IF your own side was not building armaments en mass and rapidly from 1960-1962.

I am sorry but that is bullshit. I am not disputing our side was preparing for inter communal fighting in this period as yours was but to make out that the likes of Sampson would not have resorted to the use of illegal violence and terror to gain their political goals post 60 if TC had not been arming themselves is obviously bullshit in light of the subsequent coup in 74. The continuity of people , goals and means that runs from eoka all the way through to eoka b is to me indisputable fact. For me the 'interesting' aspect of this is not if it is true or not but the degree to which some GC will try and convince themselves and others that it is not.

And it is not the GC side that had a Military General from Turkey in each and every villages preparing god knows what.

A GENERAL in every village ? Really ? You do not think that is a bit of an exaggeration ? How many Greek national troops were illegally in Cyprus by 67 ? 15,000 ? 20,000 ?

Or you think your side was acting legally and the rest were not LOL.

Where do I ever say or argue in this thread (or anywhere else) that our side was only acting legally ? The fact is no where. It is easy to counter my arguments when you simply make up what my arguments are from nothing. My argument is that there is a continuity of people, goals and means than runs from eoka all way through to eoka b. That this seems to be in some dispute is in itself as remarkable as it is patently true.

[kurupetos]

One Elam guy I know boasted to me the other day that they caught a thief trying to break in a house. He said they beat him like an animal and then dumped him in the forest. No police, no anything, he said- problem solved

Did you report this to the police or is it just a joke?

[kurupetos]

eoka, eoka b and elam are all the same shit.

You must be a Mongolian philosopher to arrive to such a daft conclusion.

[kurupetos]

I would like the opinion of atleast slightly more intelligent people than kouroupetos please

What is your opinion, you little f*ck? Think about it and let us know...

[Get Real!]

Samson was a brutal thug willing to use illegal force and violence on innocents to achieve his political aims, when he was in eoka and after 60 and on to when he was in eoka b. Same person , pursuing the same goal using the same means. As was Yiorkatsis. The idea that these people were 'noble warriors' pre 60 and 'vicious thugs' by 74 (or when they were taken out and killed in the case of Yiorkatsis) is not one that I subscribe to. They were vicious thugs in 55, as they still were in 64 and were in 74 (or when they were killed in the case of Yiorkatsis). They were pursuing enosis in 55, they were pursuing enosis in 65 and they were pursuing enosis in 74. They were willing to use illegal violence against those who stood in the way of their goals in 55, in 65 and in 74.

They were pursuing Enosis and your lot was pursuing Turkification so what’s the fucking difference?

They were both foreign-serving treasonous scum!

In fact your people are still scum because they continue their treasonous games to this day!

[repulsewarrior]

again, I would like to remind everyone that the coup failed because the coupist did not have the support of the overwhelming population even if they are/were Greek. their aspirations, eoka b, cannot be given, as an excuse to dismiss the desire of Cypriots to live peacefully, or to tar them as the worst kind of people with only malice to offer in seeking their own happiness. what is true, is that unless we recognise that as Cypriots, we need to defend each other, we are accessories to the vandals who with great care, tear us apart to suit themselves.

[Get Real!]

again, I would like to remind everyone that the coup failed because...

Yeah, drugs always help reinventing history!

[repulsewarrior]

...oh yes, the coup was a success, at least that is how you look at things; you call that, history?

[Get Real!]

...oh yes, the coup was a success, at least that is how you look at things; you call that, history?

Here’s a coup d’état success checklist for you Repulse:

1. Take control of the National Guard
2. Depose legitimate government.
3. Detain, torture, kill, and/or remove the opposition.
4. Take over all government buildings.
5. Take over the mass media (TV/Radio/Newspapers)
6. Announce yourself country-wide and lay down the new law.


Now tell us in which of the above criteria the 1974 coup failed…