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[Pyrpolizer]

Eoka B were para-military, and they would use guns to kill people.
No I wouldn't go that far, in calling them neo Eoka Bs although they do have similarities.

[Maximus]

If they were really democratic I would respect them.The have their own views and as per all views, they are partly right.
However they are NOT democratic. They use brutal force. They beat people, to impose their own views. They impose fear and silence through brutal force.
The first time I heard of them is when they beat a group of GCs and TCs who were just chatting at a cafe.

And it's exactly this element that excites some people to support them.Not so much their views/ideas but the beating itself.
They are DANGEROUS!

And pls Alexie throw away that measure of "cleverness". Everybody can tell what he thinks in a democratic way in this forum, without having to be "measured".

Pyro ... would you go as far agreeing that these black-shirted, greek flag-waving fascists are a Neo-"eoka-B" ... ???

without eoka-b, there would not have been an invasion but their probably would have been masses of Turkish immigration from the mainland to Cyprus and the republic of Cyprus would not be democratic or a member of the EU today either.

[Pyrpolizer]

One Elam guy I know boasted to me the other day that they caught a thief trying to break in a house. He said they beat him like an animal and then dumped him in the forest. No police, no anything, he said- problem solved

[Maximus]

One Elam guy I know boasted to me the other day that they caught a thief trying to break in a house. He said they beat him like an animal and then dumped him in the forest. No police, no anything, he said- problem solved

BS.

[repulsewarrior]

interesting question bill,

...it reminds me of the dinner I had with Grivas' brother (it must have been in '80 or '81), where I asked him why he did not fight again in EOKA B, he said that the goal had been achieved, he fought because it was his duty, for Freedom, he was not interested in Politics, like his brother.

[Pyrpolizer]

If they were really democratic I would respect them.The have their own views and as per all views, they are partly right.
However they are NOT democratic. They use brutal force. They beat people, to impose their own views. They impose fear and silence through brutal force.
The first time I heard of them is when they beat a group of GCs and TCs who were just chatting at a cafe.

And it's exactly this element that excites some people to support them.Not so much their views/ideas but the beating itself.
They are DANGEROUS!

And pls Alexie throw away that measure of "cleverness". Everybody can tell what he thinks in a democratic way in this forum, without having to be "measured".

Pyro ... would you go as far agreeing that these black-shirted, greek flag-waving fascists are a Neo-"eoka-B" ... ???

without eoka-b, there would not have been an invasion but their probably would have been masses of Turkish immigration from the mainland to Cyprus and the republic of Cyprus would not be democratic or a member of the EU today either.

Eoka B was formed in 1971.Had nothing to do with the TC's. And there was absolutely no immigration from Turkey...

[Maximus]

If they were really democratic I would respect them.The have their own views and as per all views, they are partly right.
However they are NOT democratic. They use brutal force. They beat people, to impose their own views. They impose fear and silence through brutal force.
The first time I heard of them is when they beat a group of GCs and TCs who were just chatting at a cafe.

And it's exactly this element that excites some people to support them.Not so much their views/ideas but the beating itself.
They are DANGEROUS!

And pls Alexie throw away that measure of "cleverness". Everybody can tell what he thinks in a democratic way in this forum, without having to be "measured".

Pyro ... would you go as far agreeing that these black-shirted, greek flag-waving fascists are a Neo-"eoka-B" ... ???

without eoka-b, there would not have been an invasion but their probably would have been masses of Turkish immigration from the mainland to Cyprus and the republic of Cyprus would not be democratic or a member of the EU today either.

Eoka B was formed in 1971.Had nothing to do with the TC's. And there was absolutely no immigration from Turkey...

Please explain because I am of the belief that Cyprus was not democratic until 1974 and Cyprus would not be or in the EU today if Eoka-b did not come to pass.

[erolz66]

Eoka B (and 'the organisation' before it) has exactly the same relationship to Eoka as the Real IRA have to the IRA. There is a continuity of people, objectives and means that runs from eoka, through to 'the organisation' and on to eoka b.

[Maximus]

Eoka B (and 'the organisation' before it) has exactly the same relationship to Eoka as the Real IRA have to the IRA. There is a continuity of people, objectives and means that runs from eoka, through to 'the organisation' and on to eoka b.

if you want to find the undemocratic specimens in Cyprus , you don't have to look any further than the TC's.

[Pyrpolizer]

Eoka B (and 'the organisation' before it) has exactly the same relationship to Eoka as the Real IRA have to the IRA. There is a continuity of people, objectives and means that runs from eoka, through to 'the organisation' and on to eoka b.

That's like saying that because Denktash formed the TMT together with others, that his "trnc" are also TMT.
For one, Eoka (1955-59) had the support of almost all the GCs whereas Eoka B had almost no support .

There is a lot of confusion as to who were the Eoka B.
Immediately after independence we had the groups of Ex eoka leaders, as for example the Samson, Yiorkatsis, Lyssarides groups, each acting independently. Then we had Ethnikon Metopo (National Frontier) with a different leader, and only in 1971-2 the Eoka B with Grivas. Yet most people call them all Eoka B!!

The striking difference is that Eoka B was financed by the US Government. My father had a friend in Eoka B and asked him directly if the get money from America. He said yes -but not that much and not every month- and he showed him the official US Gvnt draft, with the seals on, I saw it with my own eyes.

NB. Also let's not forget the official Government group (was that the Efedriokon-The reservists) formed by Makarios himself to protect him from Ethniko Metopo and Eoka B