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[zan]

Bet he comes back with " ah! But you don't believe in true democracy


Oops! Did I say that out loud

[Viewpoint]

Zan Kikapooo is a total sell out, he has no problems seeing the TCs reduced to minority status in a GC state, that is his ultimate goal, his agenda is so anti TC pro GC that he was challenged recently to produce just one of his posts where he supports just 1 TC poisition or is against just 1 GC poisition, guess what he failed, that tells you a lot about the man. But even this is not a problem he can side with GCs and fight their corner all he wants, the part I find difficult to swallow is that he thinks he knows whats better for us TCs living on this island and demands that we submit to GC demands and accept minority status in our own country.

Now you are trying to kiss Zan's butt to try and make up, also at my expense. That's fine, I have wide shoulders.

I do not use terms "Majority/Minority" at a Federal Cyprus and the "Kikapu's BBF Plan" I have given you states that. I use the term "Equal Citizens" for ALL Cypriots, so once again you are fabricating porkies. Federal Cyprus does not mean TCs living in a GC state since the Federal level is composed by ALL Cypriots, and the 2 Federal states north and south will have it's own majority population be it be TCs or GCs without discrimination if the territories for both states are adjusted accordingly, and if you don't understand this simple fact, then you don't understand anything regarding BBF based on True Federation. But that's because you do not want a Federal Cyprus based on "Equal Citizens" for ALL Cypriots. You would rather have Apartheid AP system to keep the GCs out of the north state and keep their land at the same time.

It is true, that I do not have anything nice to say about anyone who does not support True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, EU Principles and International Law for a Cyprus settlement, regardless who they are, including family members. Unlike you, I'm not Apartheid for Cyprus man. Show me 1 example where the TCs have taken the position based on the above principles that I have not supported, and conversely, show me where any GCs have taken position against the above principles that I have supported. Well, you can't, so stop telling porkies just to kiss Zan's butt.

Exactly a total sell out under the wrapping of so called "True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, EU Principles and International Law", the last EU voting fiasco providing a very good example of how things can easily be manipulated by GCs.

[Kikapu]

Zan Kikapooo is a total sell out, he has no problems seeing the TCs reduced to minority status in a GC state, that is his ultimate goal, his agenda is so anti TC pro GC that he was challenged recently to produce just one of his posts where he supports just 1 TC poisition or is against just 1 GC poisition, guess what he failed, that tells you a lot about the man. But even this is not a problem he can side with GCs and fight their corner all he wants, the part I find difficult to swallow is that he thinks he knows whats better for us TCs living on this island and demands that we submit to GC demands and accept minority status in our own country.

Now you are trying to kiss Zan's butt to try and make up, also at my expense. That's fine, I have wide shoulders.

I do not use terms "Majority/Minority" at a Federal Cyprus and the "Kikapu's BBF Plan" I have given you states that. I use the term "Equal Citizens" for ALL Cypriots, so once again you are fabricating porkies. Federal Cyprus does not mean TCs living in a GC state since the Federal level is composed by ALL Cypriots, and the 2 Federal states north and south will have it's own majority population be it be TCs or GCs without discrimination if the territories for both states are adjusted accordingly, and if you don't understand this simple fact, then you don't understand anything regarding BBF based on True Federation. But that's because you do not want a Federal Cyprus based on "Equal Citizens" for ALL Cypriots. You would rather have Apartheid AP system to keep the GCs out of the north state and keep their land at the same time.

It is true, that I do not have anything nice to say about anyone who does not support True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, EU Principles and International Law for a Cyprus settlement, regardless who they are, including family members. Unlike you, I'm not Apartheid for Cyprus man. Show me 1 example where the TCs have taken the position based on the above principles that I have not supported, and conversely, show me where any GCs have taken position against the above principles that I have supported. Well, you can't, so stop telling porkies just to kiss Zan's butt.

Exactly a total sell out under the wrapping of so called "True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, EU Principles and International Law", the last EU voting fiasco providing a very good example of how things can easily be manipulated by GCs.

"Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience...Dilbert"

Thank you, Iceman!

[zan]

I knew I was going to be disappointed with your response Kiks but you have surpassed even my low expectations

[Kikapu]

No one is "making up" because no one broke up. We were having an internal discussion in which you have no place. Simples just because two people of the TRNC have differing views and discuss something, that does not make for a breakup. I think it would fit into your model of " democracy" no?

As I have said to you before, what have you done with your plan? Has it made its way to the discussion table? I am sure the two teams would welcome it you have gone way beyond your remit on this forum. Try discussing something real instead of trying to score points you can't because you are all over the place and that includes your colloquialisms. You really do have an identity crisis. Where did you say you grew up again? A physiatrist would have a whole book to write up on you picking his way through all the little bits of language you have picked up no offence

Believe it or not, Zan, my plan was to mostly benefit the TCs, unless one is a neopartitionist of course, in which case there is no pleasing them (VP, et al), except partition. The TCs did not take advantage of it which the GCs were offering Rotating Presidency at the time where I was able to use that to be able to build a veto power into the system that would be democratic. A veto power that the TCs were/are after in an undemocratic way. The fact that only our good friend DT was the only GC who supported my plan, goes to show it was not for those GCs who want only a unitary state, but since BBF is the only proposal on the table, the TCs could have benefitted greatly and still be a democratic system. But you can kiss off that "veto power" now that was in my system and you can also kiss off the "Rotating Presidency". So forget about my BBF Plan, because it's time has come and gone regarding the veto power and the rotating presidency. Now you can only use it for a settlement based on EU Principles.

[repulsewarrior]

...well said Kikapu.

frankly, do you think I would not want to live in a country that respects me for me, not because I am "Greek", or "Turk"? only a Unitary State, a state where Individual Rights are identified, defended, and bettered, can satisfy this expectation.

"Greekness", and "Turkishness", are Liberties in my world, Freedom is more important to me.

indeed, you can read my manifesto, too. it, in essence is for vp, (the first person to write to me personally, who touched my heart that way; as a new forum member (somewhere else)), although its nexus comes from a newspaper article, a map, with circles drawn on it, during the thick of it in '74. it is to appease, facts on the ground, 80%, will have to add to their expense for good Government, so that as Persons, some portion of the rest can enjoy in self-representation this distinct identity, it is with the hope that as an intent it is, for the new thinking which is needed to better demonstrate as Mankind the word(s) Bicommunal (and now Bizonal), in a manner where it will be emulated and with the highest esteem. instead Cypriot (and Cyprus) is bandied about second to the status quo, subjugated by the Imperialism of forces who do not dare to fly the Cypriot flag higher, and who dare not see beyond a flag Turkish, or a flag not Turkish (read: Greek).

cheers to you Kikapu, a better Cypriot than most.

[Nikitas]

Kikapu is the only one among us who has actual experience of living in more than one federal state. He lived in the USA the archetypical federation of the world and now he lives in Switzerland, a model we often cite when discussing a possible Cyprus solution. His opinion therefore has added weight.

[zan]

No one is "making up" because no one broke up. We were having an internal discussion in which you have no place. Simples just because two people of the TRNC have differing views and discuss something, that does not make for a breakup. I think it would fit into your model of " democracy" no?

As I have said to you before, what have you done with your plan? Has it made its way to the discussion table? I am sure the two teams would welcome it you have gone way beyond your remit on this forum. Try discussing something real instead of trying to score points you can't because you are all over the place and that includes your colloquialisms. You really do have an identity crisis. Where did you say you grew up again? A physiatrist would have a whole book to write up on you picking his way through all the little bits of language you have picked up no offence

Believe it or not, Zan, my plan was to mostly benefit the TCs, unless one is a neopartitionist of course, in which case there is no pleasing them (VP, et al), except partition. The TCs did not take advantage of it which the GCs were offering Rotating Presidency at the time where I was able to use that to be able to build a veto power into the system that would be democratic. A veto power that the TCs were/are after in an undemocratic way. The fact that only our good friend DT was the only GC who supported my plan, goes to show it was not for those GCs who want only a unitary state, but since BBF is the only proposal on the table, the TCs could have benefitted greatly and still be a democratic system. But you can kiss off that "veto power" now that was in my system and you can also kiss off the "Rotating Presidency". So forget about my BBF Plan, because it's time has come and gone regarding the veto power and the rotating presidency. Now you can only use it for a settlement based on EU Principles.

As I said before and again………Put it to the "RoC" and see what happens…..DT has great clout and could have done it for you…..If it was that great then they could have put it to the TCs and we could not have possibly refused. Why waste it on a forum that has limited readers? Ill tell you why…..Because you would have been laughed out of the "RoC". This Forum and its subscribers gave you at least a little bit of credibility and you have gone no further. now you tell me we missed out


A man walks into a shop to buy a new suit. He likes it but doesn't want to pay full price so he tries to barter with the shop keeper. "I want this suit he says but the shop down town has it for 25% less". "So go buy it there" says the shop keeper. "I can't" says the man, "They haven't got any left". "So come back when I haven't got any left and I'll offer it to you for 25% less" says the shop keeper.

[Pyrpolizer]

No one is "making up" because no one broke up. We were having an internal discussion in which you have no place. Simples just because two people of the TRNC have differing views and discuss something, that does not make for a breakup. I think it would fit into your model of " democracy" no?

As I have said to you before, what have you done with your plan? Has it made its way to the discussion table? I am sure the two teams would welcome it you have gone way beyond your remit on this forum. Try discussing something real instead of trying to score points you can't because you are all over the place and that includes your colloquialisms. You really do have an identity crisis. Where did you say you grew up again? A physiatrist would have a whole book to write up on you picking his way through all the little bits of language you have picked up no offence

Believe it or not, Zan, my plan was to mostly benefit the TCs, unless one is a neopartitionist of course, in which case there is no pleasing them (VP, et al), except partition. The TCs did not take advantage of it which the GCs were offering Rotating Presidency at the time where I was able to use that to be able to build a veto power into the system that would be democratic. A veto power that the TCs were/are after in an undemocratic way. The fact that only our good friend DT was the only GC who supported my plan, goes to show it was not for those GCs who want only a unitary state, but since BBF is the only proposal on the table, the TCs could have benefitted greatly and still be a democratic system. But you can kiss off that "veto power" now that was in my system and you can also kiss off the "Rotating Presidency". So forget about my BBF Plan, because it's time has come and gone regarding the veto power and the rotating presidency. Now you can only use it for a settlement based on EU Principles.

As I said before and again………Put it to the "RoC" and see what happens…..DT has great clout and could have done it for you…..If it was that great then they could have put it to the TCs and we could not have possibly refused. Why waste it on a forum that has limited readers? Ill tell you why…..Because you would have been laughed out of the "RoC". This Forum and its subscribers gave you at least a little bit of credibility and you have gone no further. now you tell me we missed out


A man walks into a shop to buy a new suit. He likes it but doesn't want to pay full price so he tries to barter with the shop keeper. "I want this suit he says but the shop down town has it for 25% less". "So go buy it there" says the shop keeper. "I can't" says the man, "They haven't got any left". "So come back when I haven't got any left and I'll offer it to you for 25% less" says the shop keeper.

They will tell him:
"You can kiss off that "veto power" now that was in your system and you can also kiss off the "Rotating Presidency".
Ahhh Kikapu will never learn how to put down a good plan.

[Kikapu]

No one is "making up" because no one broke up. We were having an internal discussion in which you have no place. Simples just because two people of the TRNC have differing views and discuss something, that does not make for a breakup. I think it would fit into your model of " democracy" no?

As I have said to you before, what have you done with your plan? Has it made its way to the discussion table? I am sure the two teams would welcome it you have gone way beyond your remit on this forum. Try discussing something real instead of trying to score points you can't because you are all over the place and that includes your colloquialisms. You really do have an identity crisis. Where did you say you grew up again? A physiatrist would have a whole book to write up on you picking his way through all the little bits of language you have picked up no offence

Believe it or not, Zan, my plan was to mostly benefit the TCs, unless one is a neopartitionist of course, in which case there is no pleasing them (VP, et al), except partition. The TCs did not take advantage of it which the GCs were offering Rotating Presidency at the time where I was able to use that to be able to build a veto power into the system that would be democratic. A veto power that the TCs were/are after in an undemocratic way. The fact that only our good friend DT was the only GC who supported my plan, goes to show it was not for those GCs who want only a unitary state, but since BBF is the only proposal on the table, the TCs could have benefitted greatly and still be a democratic system. But you can kiss off that "veto power" now that was in my system and you can also kiss off the "Rotating Presidency". So forget about my BBF Plan, because it's time has come and gone regarding the veto power and the rotating presidency. Now you can only use it for a settlement based on EU Principles.

As I said before and again………Put it to the "RoC" and see what happens…..DT has great clout and could have done it for you…..If it was that great then they could have put it to the TCs and we could not have possibly refused. Why waste it on a forum that has limited readers? Ill tell you why…..Because you would have been laughed out of the "RoC". This Forum and its subscribers gave you at least a little bit of credibility and you have gone no further. now you tell me we missed out


A man walks into a shop to buy a new suit. He likes it but doesn't want to pay full price so he tries to barter with the shop keeper. "I want this suit he says but the shop down town has it for 25% less". "So go buy it there" says the shop keeper. "I can't" says the man, "They haven't got any left". "So come back when I haven't got any left and I'll offer it to you for 25% less" says the shop keeper.

They will tell him:
"You can kiss off that "veto power" now that was in your system and you can also kiss off the "Rotating Presidency".
Ahhh Kikapu will never learn how to put down a good plan.