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[Kikapu]

Then wait for the " Cyprus" you are talking about to materialise then you can cast your vote.

What choice do I have but wait. Turks are still waiting for a true democratic Turkey since 1923. It's better to wait than having been stuck with a undemocratic Apartheid system the AP was based on in 2004 that you had voted on, either with your X on paper or wishful wishes in your mind.

[zan]

Then wait for the " Cyprus" you are talking about to materialise then you can cast your vote.

What choice do I have but wait. Turks are still waiting for a true democratic Turkey since 1923. It's better to wait than having been stuck with a undemocratic Apartheid system the AP was based on in 2004 that you had voted on, either with your X on paper or wishful wishes in your mind.

The current "democratic" president of the "RoC" voted for the AP Kiks. Are you saying he should go? If he doesn't will you still support the "RoC"? You have elected to opt out of the TRNC. How can you vote somewhere you do not recognise? You can only do what the GCs do and complain or put in a claim to the property commission. If you register for a kimlik then your support goes to the TRNC and you can vote but you will have to answer to the " RoC" who you say you support. Technically you have painted yourself into a corner.

[Kikapu]

nonsense kik baby you accept tcs becoming a minority. there will be no equality without bbf. when the gcs realise it then we shall have peace but of course as per usual the gcs are too stupid to relaise it and by the time they do it will be too late. just like the way they refused maras, all the land south of the lefgosa magusa highway and parts of guzelyurt in 78 when it was given to them without any strings attached. thankfully they had the stupidity to refuse it and here we are, they are still asking for it now. yeah right and pigs will fly right over the border.

There's no such thing as "free lunch" Lordo!

[Kikapu]

Then wait for the " Cyprus" you are talking about to materialise then you can cast your vote.

What choice do I have but wait. Turks are still waiting for a true democratic Turkey since 1923. It's better to wait than having been stuck with a undemocratic Apartheid system the AP was based on in 2004 that you had voted on, either with your X on paper or wishful wishes in your mind.

The current "democratic" president of the "RoC" voted for the AP Kiks. Are you saying he should go? If he doesn't will you still support the "RoC"? You have elected to opt out of the TRNC. How can you vote somewhere you do not recognise? You can only do what the GCs do and complain or put in a claim to the property commission. If you register for a kimlik then your support goes to the TRNC and you can vote but you will have to answer to the " RoC" who you say you support. Technically you have painted yourself into a corner.

So? He seems to have come to his senses and is now against the AP. Opposition parties do and say things just for sake of being different, but when it matters and they are in power, specially now that Cyprus is in the EU, it is no longer possible to support for an apartheid system such as the AP, except for diehards like you, VP and Lordo. Then again, Muslim nations in general are hardly in love with True Democracy, and since Turkey calls the shots in the north, neither will be the north in love with True Democracy. But please, just because some TCs do support True Democracy and the EU Principles for Cyprus, it does not mean there’s something wrong with us. In fact, the contrary.

[zan]

Then wait for the " Cyprus" you are talking about to materialise then you can cast your vote.

What choice do I have but wait. Turks are still waiting for a true democratic Turkey since 1923. It's better to wait than having been stuck with a undemocratic Apartheid system the AP was based on in 2004 that you had voted on, either with your X on paper or wishful wishes in your mind.

The current "democratic" president of the "RoC" voted for the AP Kiks. Are you saying he should go? If he doesn't will you still support the "RoC"? You have elected to opt out of the TRNC. How can you vote somewhere you do not recognise? You can only do what the GCs do and complain or put in a claim to the property commission. If you register for a kimlik then your support goes to the TRNC and you can vote but you will have to answer to the " RoC" who you say you support. Technically you have painted yourself into a corner.

So? He seems to have come to his senses and is now against the AP. Opposition parties do and say things just for sake of being different, but when it matters and they are in power, specially now that Cyprus is in the EU, it is no longer possible to support for an apartheid system such as the AP, except for diehards like you, VP and Lordo. Then again, Muslim nations in general are hardly in love with True Democracy, and since Turkey calls the shots in the north, neither will be the north in love with True Democracy. But please, just because some TCs do support True Democracy and the EU Principles for Cyprus, it does not mean there’s something wrong with us. In fact, the contrary.

So reports from GCs, who I believe live in a your democratic world, are all wrong about him only protecting his job and some of his mates. You are right as always regardless of not being able to hide behind them being Muslims or in favour of the TRNC? Are they trying to bring down democracy?

[Kikapu]

Then wait for the " Cyprus" you are talking about to materialise then you can cast your vote.

What choice do I have but wait. Turks are still waiting for a true democratic Turkey since 1923. It's better to wait than having been stuck with a undemocratic Apartheid system the AP was based on in 2004 that you had voted on, either with your X on paper or wishful wishes in your mind.

The current "democratic" president of the "RoC" voted for the AP Kiks. Are you saying he should go? If he doesn't will you still support the "RoC"? You have elected to opt out of the TRNC. How can you vote somewhere you do not recognise? You can only do what the GCs do and complain or put in a claim to the property commission. If you register for a kimlik then your support goes to the TRNC and you can vote but you will have to answer to the " RoC" who you say you support. Technically you have painted yourself into a corner.

So? He seems to have come to his senses and is now against the AP. Opposition parties do and say things just for sake of being different, but when it matters and they are in power, specially now that Cyprus is in the EU, it is no longer possible to support for an apartheid system such as the AP, except for diehards like you, VP and Lordo. Then again, Muslim nations in general are hardly in love with True Democracy, and since Turkey calls the shots in the north, neither will be the north in love with True Democracy. But please, just because some TCs do support True Democracy and the EU Principles for Cyprus, it does not mean there’s something wrong with us. In fact, the contrary.

So reports from GCs, who I believe live in a your democratic world, are all wrong about him only protecting his job and some of his mates. You are right as always regardless of not being able to hide behind them being Muslims or in favour of the TRNC? Are they trying to bring down democracy?

I know all those who supported the AP from Turkey down were thrilled when Anastasiades won the presidency, just because he had supported the AP for what ever reason at that time, and you were all in love with him, but now that he is a EU Principles man for Cyprus because he has no other choice even if he still support the AP in his heart, times have changed in the last 10 years and the AP is no longer an option. He gets it, but not you diehards, so now, all of a sudden you guys don't like him any longer, so what does that say about you guys, that the Apartheid system is preferred over True Democracy for Cyprus?

[zan]

That was not the question Kiks. You have not answered even one percent of what I asked

[Viewpoint]

Zan Kikapooo is a total sell out, he has no problems seeing the TCs reduced to minority status in a GC state, that is his ultimate goal, his agenda is so anti TC pro GC that he was challenged recently to produce just one of his posts where he supports just 1 TC poisition or is against just 1 GC poisition, guess what he failed, that tells you a lot about the man. But even this is not a problem he can side with GCs and fight their corner all he wants, the part I find difficult to swallow is that he thinks he knows whats better for us TCs living on this island and demands that we submit to GC demands and accept minority status in our own country.

[Kikapu]

Zan Kikapooo is a total sell out, he has no problems seeing the TCs reduced to minority status in a GC state, that is his ultimate goal, his agenda is so anti TC pro GC that he was challenged recently to produce just one of his posts where he supports just 1 TC poisition or is against just 1 GC poisition, guess what he failed, that tells you a lot about the man. But even this is not a problem he can side with GCs and fight their corner all he wants, the part I find difficult to swallow is that he thinks he knows whats better for us TCs living on this island and demands that we submit to GC demands and accept minority status in our own country.

Now you are trying to kiss Zan's butt to try and make up, also at my expense. That's fine, I have wide shoulders.

I do not use terms "Majority/Minority" at a Federal Cyprus and the "Kikapu's BBF Plan" I have given you states that. I use the term "Equal Citizens" for ALL Cypriots, so once again you are fabricating porkies. Federal Cyprus does not mean TCs living in a GC state since the Federal level is composed by ALL Cypriots, and the 2 Federal states north and south will have it's own majority population be it be TCs or GCs without discrimination if the territories for both states are adjusted accordingly, and if you don't understand this simple fact, then you don't understand anything regarding BBF based on True Federation. But that's because you do not want a Federal Cyprus based on "Equal Citizens" for ALL Cypriots. You would rather have Apartheid AP system to keep the GCs out of the north state and keep their land at the same time.

It is true, that I do not have anything nice to say about anyone who does not support True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, EU Principles and International Law for a Cyprus settlement, regardless who they are, including family members. Unlike you, I'm not Apartheid for Cyprus man. Show me 1 example where the TCs have taken the position based on the above principles that I have not supported, and conversely, show me where any GCs have taken position against the above principles that I have supported. Well, you can't, so stop telling porkies just to kiss Zan's butt.

[zan]

No one is "making up" because no one broke up. We were having an internal discussion in which you have no place. Simples just because two people of the TRNC have differing views and discuss something, that does not make for a breakup. I think it would fit into your model of " democracy" no?

As I have said to you before, what have you done with your plan? Has it made its way to the discussion table? I am sure the two teams would welcome it you have gone way beyond your remit on this forum. Try discussing something real instead of trying to score points you can't because you are all over the place and that includes your colloquialisms. You really do have an identity crisis. Where did you say you grew up again? A physiatrist would have a whole book to write up on you picking his way through all the little bits of language you have picked up no offence