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[MrH]

Kifeas,

Your previous post addressed to me might have been Interesting - but not as much as the reverse; Listen my young and inexperienced colleague, what has happened to our original Properties left in the south?

My family Originated from Two areas that now lie in the South; Koccati and BAF (Paphos). In both of those areas, our properties were deliberately demolished by the Greek Cypriots. When we went to claim for them with our Original "Cyprus Republic" title deeds, although they said that "it's yours" in terms of its territorial claim, they insisted that NO compensation will be given for what was on it. This is where the system of property being claimed back fails for us Turkish Cypriots. The land we owned both in Koccati and Paphos doesn't really sum to much in terms of financial returns, where it was the Schools, Large houses and a very large and profitable Market and three other stores that - and it's revenue - we had lost that is/was its true worth. This is where the Greek Cypriot administration does exactly what ours in the north has been accused of. We can have our almost worthless land back, which consists of deliberately demolished bricks and rubble, but not the revenue (projected) loss from 1963 - as we were forced to leave due to the EOKA A and B Greek/Greek Cypriot lead Terrorists organisation. This is where we, from both sides may I add, will never be able to repatriate our True lose of liberties and net worth. Therefore, in terms of reaching a Comprehensive Cyprus solution, only the one based on TWO States WITHOUT the wounds of the past is the only way to move forward. Otherwise, pay me and my family back our lose, not from 1974, but from 1963 of our complete lose of liberties, financial returns and land back the way it was if it's a Unitary state the Greek Cypriots want to return to.

Answer: IMPOSSIBLE!

[MrH]

Also Kifeas - Stop following Alpay Durduran's fake party and siding with the Greek Cypriots whom have clearly brain-washed your mind to seeing things their so-called perfect way (as the newly arrived EU nations in Cyprus how they are treated like slaves, racially abused and hated on a daily basis) before commenting. I know the way many of you (minority in our TRNC, whom enjoy Turkey's financial contributions for your studies at EMU!) thinks and deserve everything on a plate, but believe me that would all finish in a flash if the island ever united as you'd then have to work for it under a Greek Cypriot administration. Stop complaining for getting your education for free and being paid additional pocket money by Turkey for it - typical spoilt brat from Famagusta East-Med University. Come to London and sit with the Real Turkish Cypriots pre-1974 and we'll show you the way it really was, still is and what is really being done behind the scenes. You'll soon change your ways! Kiddo!

[bill cobbett]

Oh... are we feeling alright today, Mr H ... ???

[MrH]

by bill cobbett » Fri May 30, 2014 4:39 pm

Oh... are we feeling alright today, Mr H ... ???

LOL....perfect, judging by how some people are unable to find the truthful answers to this post. It just goes to show Mr Ronnie Cobbet exactly how one-sided the GCs are, and their tiny Turkish Cypriot (brain-washed) minority, insignificant, followers. The EU Voting scenario proved that! The GCs fail on their trust everytime.

[Maximus]

You did get a truthful answer,

You cant steel Greek Cypriot property and hold it from them by the force of Turkish arms, occupy a third of their country and then expect to claim your rights and those property's abandoned by the TC's in the government controlled areas at the same time.

So you have yours back and keep theirs under occupation? So you can get paid compensation to keep theirs under occupation?

Stay off the meth MrH.

[Sotos]

MrH, the Turks are foreign to Cyprus and they are ILLEGALLY occupying part of OUR island. It seems that you forget that you are the ones who invaded us and that it is because of your invasions of our island that all these bad things happen. If we had invaded your homeland in Central Asia then you would have the right to say that you are the victim. But you are the ones who keep invading our island and you keep bringing your foreign settlers in Cyprus. We are only defending ourselves from foreign invaders, nothing more.

[repulsewarrior]

...there was a time before, I see, for you as well MrH, but unlike you I have lost my respect for those who harmed me. like the rest, I am afraid of "them". it does not have to do with "Turkish" or "Greek" in essence, but what do I know, I come from a "mixed" village.

...and unlike you I will not be an accessory to the vicious circle of hate that you so much enjoy, I am sorry for your loss if it includes missing or dead, the land is still yours, wait if you must, we know now by EU standards that time does not matter, so do not despair, you can have lousy neighbours anywhere, but for them to have Title, Free, and Clear, even if they pay the tax on it, this is a fact, they need your full Agreement.

..."we", that is to say Cypriots, are in the EU now, there is European Law, and as poor as it is, since it is criticized, it is far better than most. unlike the regime, which has no credibility in representing Cypriots as a self sustaining People (in, or out of the EU). our Republic, although just as dysfunctional in a sense, (and even with the Financial fiasco) has higher standards it demonstrates it can keep.

...I don't expect anyone in Cyprus giving up on their rights anytime soon, you MrH, are less likely to loose them in the Republic, I hope you will think about that, in that at least, I hope that I've eased your mind.

[Get Real!]

Err, Kifeas abandoned the forum like 3 years ago... maybe longer!

[MrH]

Repulsewarrior,

A Very interesting response and I do respect your comments. I am not a beacon of hate, you have understood me wrongly. I just realise that a solution of the Cyprus issue will never come about unless the Greek Cypriots meet us half way, at least - but that is not happening. I have been in, and attended meetings with many of the EU (head) officials over the many years regarding Cyprus and Turkey's EU candidate status and can tell you that Turkey will never become a member of the EU. Seeing that's the practical situation on the ground, I would further express my opinion that a Cyprus resolution in the idea of it being a "European" one based on EU ideas is out of the question (unless Turkey should become an EU member over night). Then, where does that leave us? Exactly - No solution, thus the ignoring of a solution and thus the integration of the TRNC with Turkey, which is actually what's happening now. Think about it. Turkey has, according to EU and Greek Cypriot circles, broken ALL major taboos, ideas, restrictions and demands, AND, it's still an EU Candidate! What's that all about? Surely the EU must have wrongly calculated. The Truth of the matter is Turkey's influence and workings in line with U.S strategy and importance in almost every category demands that it remains as an EU candidate, the Cyprus issue remains lost unless the Greek Cypriots accept an "Annan Plan 5" type of Resolution and our screaming and shouting mean nothing. Trust me, I have spoken to most of the leaders within the EU, UK, Greece, and Turkey and have consistently been told the same thing. Unfortunately for the Greek Cypriots and some of our more liberal Turkish Cypriots, they have been barking up the wrong tree.

And, Sotos - you Said:

by Sotos » Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:18 pm

MrH, the Turks are foreign to Cyprus and they are ILLEGALLY occupying part of OUR island. It seems that you forget that you are the ones who invaded us and that it is because of your invasions of our island that all these bad things happen. If we had invaded your homeland in Central Asia then you would have the right to say that you are the victim. But you are the ones who keep invading our island and you keep bringing your foreign settlers in Cyprus. We are only defending ourselves from foreign invaders, nothing more.

Come on my, hopeful, educated Greek Cypriot friend. It all depends how far you go back in history before laying out such a Swift statement like the above. Look at America, if that's anything to go by, the Turkish/Turkish Cypriots, whom have been in Cyprus since 1571, have more rights on the island than the current people of America! We, Turkish Cypriots DO NOT Occupy Greek Cypriot land as much as you occupy our land in the south. Why? Because your GC Leaders in Cyprus in 1974 signed the "Ceasefire Line Agreement" and then furthermore signed the "High Level Agreements in 1979". Cyprus being an EU member country means nothing to Turkey and the UN Sponsored talks of Cyprus as Turkey is currently not a member of the club - read the official statements and wrtings of the EU saying that "the Republic of Cyprus does not have effective control of its Northern Territory". I know you will look at the "its" part in delight, but it actually means nothing in terms of The Republic of Cyprus but more in line with the Island of Cyprus. Go back to your leaders and ask them to argue and fight this at the UN table and see what type of answer you will receive - Yes! it will be something like, "We can not Walk away from the UN table in search of a UN Sponsored Comprehensive agreement otherwise Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots will be able to Officially declare UDI or their Republic the next day". I am hoping that you will understand between been pushed out of our properties in 1974 to your dumb leaders signing official agreements at the UN Table (not EU as Turkey doesn't really care as they are NOT a member of the union!) and then crying as to why they are having (or being FORCED to) sit around a table with the President of the TRNC every year talking rubbish. Please stop demanding the impossible regarding the Cyprus issue (while Turkey is not an EU member) and think of ways to which you can work with the Turkish Cypriots otherwise Northern Cyprus' assimilation with Turkey will one day be permanent - if you GCs have not caused it already. I am not arguing with you, but simply telling you the way it truly is on the ground. Don't get me wrong here as I too want a solution and am in no way on the side of divide and rule, hatred or nationalistic....but more realistic!

[MrH]

Get real:

by Get Real! » Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:54 am

Err, Kifeas abandoned the forum like 3 years ago... maybe longer!

Sorry, I wasn't aware as I only tend to post when I'm in an airport or on my travels. But, interestingly, I wonder why he has suddenly disappeared - probably from Cyprus altogether, particularly after realising how Turkish the TRNC has become and how his ideas were pointless after the "No" vote of the Annan Plan from the GCs and how much damage it shas caused (how strong Eroglu's hand is now as a result of it at the negotiating table!).