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[repulsewarrior]

why give the "Turks" what they want, why give the "Greeks" for that matter what they can bargain for. it belongs to neither. and whether you are 41, 62, or five, what is right, is right, Cyprus is for Cypriots first, this Flag we all should be willing to fly, higher. I am prepared to see many flags fly here, as Cyprus is a crossroad, and I suspect that many Greeks, the overwhelming population, are prepared to place their Freedom above the Liberty of calling themselves Greek, by doing the same. if we can learn to defend each other, as Cypriots, we may see our adversaries quite differently.

...even if 4% was traded away, for "Peace", it would not be worth it, think about it boulio.

[boulio]

why give the "Turks" what they want, why give the "Greeks" for that matter what they can bargain for. it belongs to neither. and whether you are 41, 62, or five, what is right, is right, Cyprus is for Cypriots first, this Flag we all should be willing to fly, higher. I am prepared to see many flags fly here, as Cyprus is a crossroad, and I suspect that many Greeks, the overwhelming population, are prepared to place their Freedom above the Liberty of calling themselves Greek, by doing the same. if we can learn to defend each other, as Cypriots, we may see our adversaries quite differently.

...even if 4% was traded away, for "Peace", it would not be worth it, think about it boulio.

i dont advocate it,its just that its starting to be discussed seriously by multiple sources.The truth is it has never be seriously put to the people of the ROC for there real opinion

[repulsewarrior]

...neither has a true Bicommunal State been proposed,

I suggest that if there was a Greek Constituency which had its own representation, it would be possible for them to work out their needs, to sustain themselves as equals, with other Cypriot Constituencies. respecting the notion of a Bizonal description of geography, it would therefore be possible for the Constituent States to come to a unanimous conclusion, Sovereignty never being the question, submitting their proposals for consideration to the Federal Government, their superior, from which they seek this Charter, (as tax collectors, and providers of Public Service, National Assemblies, where as a majority they recognize and respect minorities in the application of their Agenda), in essence their electors as residents, closer to the tax payments they make.

furthermore, I suggest that the island should not be divided in two, I suggest that for the displaced as Justice seen, at least some the choice to return as communities (not just as Individuals), and that as enclaves, north and south, the Free Movement, and Association, of Cypriots is secured, the Green Line, even if it remains, no longer can be defined a "border", but one of many frontiers.

[MrH]

Bill said:

by bill cobbett » Fri May 30, 2014 5:42 pm

Oh... we were hoping your next post would be to reply to this, Mr H...

Will you now come clean and be honest with people that they've have been led up the garden path with the Recognition Plan B nonsense, especially in the light of the recent comment by the US Vice-pres...???

"... "The US, I want to be clear about this, recognises only one legitimate government of the Republic of Cyprus. And my visit and meetings throughout the island, will not change that. It is my personal position, it is the position of the United States of America and it is the position of the entire world, save one country”... "

Wether you want to believe it or not, but my Turkish "Democrat" sources have told me how Biden laughed at how much the Greek Cypriots had Begged him to give such a re-confirming statement. Of course he would be able to say such comments at this current political stage. What you should have got him to say was that Northern Cyprus is administered by the Same government [as the ROC] and that the U.S will send troops in to integrate it immediately - LOL. Isn't it laughable how the GCs what such a statement confirmed everytime another national lands on the island. I wonder if China does the same with regards to it's Tibetan, Taiwan and other province's? It just goes to show you how insecure the Greek Cypriots are, and how they WILL one day have to say "NO" again to an ANNAN PLAN 6 type of a plan to remain alive and all powerful. The TRNC may not be "Recognised" by the UN, but it is a functioning state - the stupid drunk, drugged up,Greek Cypriot fellow in 1996 whom got shot off the flag pole on the "Cease-fire line" re-confirmed that!

Face it - Northern Cyprus is NOT under the effective conrol of the ROC - read your EU Documents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_limited_recognition

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~sann2029/FCO_Paper%20by%20Dr%20Stefan%20Talmon.pdf

http://ec.europa.eu/cyprus/turkish_cypriots/index_en.htm

Pending a settlement, the application of the acquis upon
accession has therefore been suspended pursuant to
Article 1(1) of Protocol 10, in the areas of the Republic
of Cyprus in which the Government of the Republic of
Cyprus does not exercise effective control.

Source:

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2004:206:0051:0056:EN:PDF

[MrH]

COMPREHENSIVE SETTLEMENT my dear Watson!

[Jerry]

Wether you want to believe it or not, but my Turkish "Democrat" sources have told me how Biden laughed at how much the Greek Cypriots had Begged him to give such a re-confirming statement.

That's funny my "Democrat" sources told me that Biden was really in Cyprus to discuss the possibility of the US taking over the British bases when the ever shrinking UK armed forces eventually leave the island. Apparently he doesn't see the Islamic Republic of Turkey as a reliable ally in the long term.

[Get Real!]

YUSUF KANLI:

“50 years on, the Cyprus problem is continuing because Greek Cypriots kept on believing that they are the absolute masters, the sole owners of the land of Cyprus, its sovereignty and that Turkish Cypriots are nothing but a minority that might be given some minority rights. This is a serious obsession handicapping all settlement prospects.”

Published under...

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/fundam ... sCatID=425

Maybe your people just haven’t earned their respect yet Mr Kanli… you certainly haven’t earned mine.

Let’s face it… you represent Turkey not Cyprus or anything Cypriot, so who in the right mind would trust you with anything?

So don’t just keep assuming that it’s always THEIR fault… what about you?

What have your people done in the last 500 years to bridge the gap with the natives of Cyprus?

I’ll tell you what they’ve done… they’ve done everything possible to widen it!

[repulsewarrior]

...sadly, it is as though Turkey is still at the advent of the Modern Age. I feel as though they remain fixed in time, when it comes to Cyprus, since the Treaty of Lausanne. nothing else makes sense, given her demands. Cypriots, all Cypriots are the victims of this Foreign Policy in essence, (in this state, unrecognised, no more than chattel), yet, it is the British that Turkey has claims with.

...we will wait another ten years with the criminal psychosis of one Erdogan, or he will do himself in; I am counting on better fortunes, because I believe in the People, and in Turkey they are proving themselves to be very creative in opposition to, his, authority. Bicommunal (and Bizonal) (for Cyprus) is an idea that evolved from Turkey. I think, like the European Bankers recently, their intention is/was to test their ideas as a template, for their own needs. if there was a Turkish Constituency in Turkey, I imagine that the idea of "one Flag, higher" would result in a Turkey much stronger, where in its diversity, there is a reason to unite, as Individuals, and as Citizens, a reason to defend each other. I think "Turks" think if "Greeks" try it, and it works, in Cyprus, then it is a "Perfect Solution", to the Problem, but more importantly to them a way forward in their own stagnation, in Turkey.

...never mind Varosha, the Turkish Army should just give it back outright, they can at least admit to that harm, (even if it is actually a War Crime), to great applause I'm sure, Internationally, because it would be big of Turkey, in any case, to recognise she is not blameless. indeed, she wants an Airport to be a benefit to the regime, I say, demand an equal, at least demand what is not impossible, demand the Greek Constituency that for so long the Greeks have resisted to form, as a voice for their needs, not as Cypriots, but as Greeks, exists; that is a fair tribute, from "them", if Turkey is for a Cyprus, neither "Greek", or "Turkish", whole. have this equal, the representation as Persons, and it would be possible for the Federal Government to consider the needs of both (or many), since it's aim is to serve them all, without distinction, or discrimination, but as Citizens; I say, let Greeks decide the makings of Greek schools, I say the Federal Government should be more concerned about schooling itself. the same is as relevant for Hospital Care, and Social Programs as well. The point being, that Airports are International, and represented by a Country, in that sense the argument is that the Turkish Constituency remains unrecognised, yet, it is what a Greek Constituency (even though it doesn't exist as an actual Corporation), that benefits exclusively from what is (as in all of them) their State. not unlike Cyprus itself, is the claim, which remains unrecognised by Turkey, and as such exploited to serve their purpose. if Greeks represented themselves, (as a Constituency (as well)), then, as Cypriots, they would provide for their needs differently, and others regardless of their size could be provided the same support, yes a Cypriot Port of Entry, in the north, (no different to an International Airport in the south) demonstrating the same respect having the same needs.