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[B25]

Personally I am the result of something called 'evolution'.

Correct, you have evolved out of a pile of shit are is now called a Turk!

[Pyrpolizer]

That is only because same sex families challenge what you are use to or because of your perceptions that it is not normal and hence not a healthy or stable environment for the children.

Absolutely not.
I already explained that is has to do with the physical role of male as father and female as mother in raising children or adopted children in a way that will eventually make them stable adults that can come up to the difficulties of life.
Homosexual couples LUCK these physical abilities by a factor of 50%

Unfortunately, there are thousands or so called normal heteresexual families that are not a good environment or stable enough for kids. Many examples of verbal, physical abuse, drugs and alcoholism.

I already covered that. The alternative for those children would be another heretosexual family .

Of course there are some same sex couples that would make excellent adoptive parents. They will nurture, provide and educate and raise the kid in a nice warm household.

A chiild does not only need providors and teachers and warm environment. It needs emotional stability that only a female (preferably the physical mother) can provide and also needs to set limits in behavior and strength in character than only a male (preferably the physical father) can provide.

Furthermore let’s not forget the matter of genes. Even within a family that is not perfect, a child is much better off, than within an adopted "perfect" family, simply because it’s genes align with its natural parents.It what we call "blood" it has some kind of magnetism that causes the most pure attraction of loving and caring. Behavior (and character) is partly genetically and partly environmentally formed and there have been thousands of scientific studies proving it.

[Pyrpolizer]

You may have been created, though by what and for what purpose I dread to think.

Isn't it obvious? To form an army of SLAVES.

[T_C]

I think it's all well for us to generalise the issue...but completely different when faced with a real life situation.

I suppose you could argue that 2 gay parents may in all fact be less better parents simply due to the absence of a female figure, but this pales in significance when compared with the uncertainty of the alternative arrangements they're faced with, foster care etc.

These children would not accept your reasoning that a mother is essential because in most cases they have seen the worst in their heterosexual parents. They are not disadvantaged in life because they are being raised by two men, it's dependant on the individuals and their own upbringing.

It's not like family is an alien concept to gay people, something they could never replicate. Let's remind ourselves that the majority of gay people were raised by heterosexuals!

[GreekIslandGirl]

Well, there are two comments that have been made which don't make sense to me.

Firstly, Erolz is proudly proclaiming his accomplished status - thanks to evolution. But at what stage of evolution would we still have been stuck at if it wasn't for heterosexual mating providing genetic diversity?

And T_C thinks it's OK for homosexual couples to raise kids because, well, hey, they have experience of families because they themselves were brought up in heterosexual families. Well, duh ...what about the kids that they will be raising? From where will they get their experience - and diversity - that a heterosexual family can provide?

[erolz66]

Firstly, Erolz is proudly proclaiming his accomplished status - thanks to evolution. But at what stage of evolution would we still have been stuck at if it wasn't for heterosexual mating providing genetic diversity?

The point I was making was in response to B25 statement that male and female were 'created' with some specific purpose. I just do not believe that is the case. We were not created, we simply evolved is my belief because I prefer evidence of scientific enquiry to that of myth.

As to your ignorance of the genetic and evolutionary component of homosexuality, I can not be held responsible for that ignorance.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26089486

And T_C thinks it's OK for homosexual couples to raise kids because, well, hey, they have experience of families because they themselves were brought up in heterosexual families. Well, duh ...what about the kids that they will be raising? From where will they get their experience - and diversity - that a heterosexual family can provide?

Heterosexual parents disowning their children on discovering they are gay happens. It is hard to imagine a gay couple disowning their child if they discover it is heterosexual.

[T_C]

Well, there are two comments that have been made which don't make sense to me.

Firstly, Erolz is proudly proclaiming his accomplished status - thanks to evolution. But at what stage of evolution would we still have been stuck at if it wasn't for heterosexual mating providing genetic diversity?

And T_C thinks it's OK for homosexual couples to raise kids because, well, hey, they have experience of families because they themselves were brought up in heterosexual families. Well, duh ...what about the kids that they will be raising? From where will they get their experience - and diversity - that a heterosexual family can provide?

From where will those children in care get the experience and diversity - their heterosexual parent's clearly couldn't provide?!

Every case is different. Your reasoning that no gay couples are fit to be parents is flawed, if that is indeed what you are suggesting?

And you cannot hi-jack the word 'family' because you choose to interpret it to mean people who are genetically related. In fact 'members of a household' was the original definition of the word 'family' if you care to check out it's etymology.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Firstly, Erolz is proudly proclaiming his accomplished status - thanks to evolution. But at what stage of evolution would we still have been stuck at if it wasn't for heterosexual mating providing genetic diversity?

The point I was making was in response to B25 statement that male and female were 'created' with some specific purpose. I just do not believe that is the case. We were not created, we simply evolved is my belief because I prefer evidence of scientific enquiry to that of myth.

As to your ignorance of the genetic and evolutionary component of homosexuality, I can not be held responsible for that ignorance.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26089486

You misunderstood me. I wasn't referring to the "evolution" of homosexuality but to the evolution of our species which wouldn't have happened so dramatically without heterosexual genetic recombination (just trying to keep it simple) which allows for natural selection. I'm aware of the above postulates of why homosexuality persists, which is why I said in an earlier post that GAY men make good uncles.

And T_C thinks it's OK for homosexual couples to raise kids because, well, hey, they have experience of families because they themselves were brought up in heterosexual families. Well, duh ...what about the kids that they will be raising? From where will they get their experience - and diversity - that a heterosexual family can provide?

Heterosexual parents disowning their children on discovering they are gay happens. It is hard to imagine a gay couple disowning their child if they discover it is heterosexual.

I don't think parents disown their children for such reasons - certainly, they are likely to be quite grown up by the time they "come out".

But I'm on the fence with the raising of children by GAY men - lesbians (if they don't actually hate men and instill this in their kids) are probably more likely to make good parents as women have often shared child-rearing anyway, like when the dad gets killed whilst out hunting.

[Sotos]

I think men lack certain instincts when it comes to raising small babies ... I don't think that being gay gives you "motherly instincts". So men adopting small babies is far from ideal... but even in this case the alternatives should be taken into account. If every baby can have a loving mommy that would be best... but that might not always be possible. About marriage I support that gays should be able to have civil unions... but I don't think we can force a religion to change in order to accept gays. Gay people and other people who do not approve this discrimination by the Church should be free to start a new religion!

[Pyrpolizer]

Isn't it a myth that the majority of homosexual men live in couples?
Lesbians yes, but gays???