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[Sotos]

From Sparta and beyond.

If you've generations of family rooted for hundreds of years in Cyprus, it doesn't matter where you were born.
You are still brought up with Cypriot ways by your parents even if you are born in the UK.

Some choose to ditch the Cyprus connection and prefer the British way, then there are those who just yearn to be home....because even though they have spent 40 years here, they'd rather be where they belong.

Imo, they are no lesser Cypriot than the ones who are lucky to be still living there.

Have you actually seen any 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation "Cypriots" in the UK? It doesn't matter how many generations your ancestors were rooted in Cyprus. Once you immigrate and you are part of a tiny minority abroad you will soon be assimilated and lose any real connection with the culture of your ancestors. There are exceptions... but those are rare.

[erolz66]

If ethnicity was hereditary through blood lines then you would be Greek too. It would also mean that to claim to be a direct decedent of the Chirokitians at the very least you would have to be a midget. Ethnicity is part of our identity and culture and we maintained our Greek ethnicity even when under foreign rule for many 100s of years. The Greeks did came to Cyprus many 1000s years ago and this is historical fact supported by archaeology and history and the fact that we speak Greek for many 1000s of years. The bullshit is what you made up. According to you because Cyprus was declared a country 50 years ago that automatically created a "Cypriot ethnicity" ... but of course you are wrong and even the constitution of the country contradicts you.

You can choose to be a Cypriot patriot and support the independence of Cyprus or you can choose to be Greek and support the notion of Cyprus being a dominion of Greece. That you choose to be Greek and then try and claim that desire for Cyprus to be a dominion of Greece is a legitimate expression of the right to self determination of a unitary Cypriot people is where your madness starts - a madness that has got us where we are today.

[Sotos]

That explains how you could supposedly drop your Turkish identity so easily ... because you never had this identity to begin with.

Exactly - I have no Turkish identity I just have a Cypriot one. It is YOU and that forces a Turkish identity on me.

What you say is not even possible.

I am a real Cypriot. You personally are for the most part a foreigner... not a real TC! You are the last person on earth who can tell to somebody like me to "fuck off" from my own island!

Here we see you real commitment to a 'unitary Cyprus', equality and legality. I am already Cypriot under all definitions of law, but you have a 'first right' to tell me to fuck off from my own Island where as I have no such right to respond in kind to you. We can have a unitary Cyprus with equality in law but none the less in your mind you will always be the 'real Cypriot' and me not.

Are you a citizen of the Republic of Cyprus?

Yes it worked. But have you seen the size, population and vast resources of America. The colonists ... who btw are not native Americans... took all that for themselves. It suited them perfectly ... they had the power to have their freedom and also keep all those lands and resources just for themselves. Now compare that with Cyprus.

So you admit your claim that you can not simply chose your identity is in fact BS then ?

They did't change from one day to the next. Those colonists were in America for a few centuries and they gradually realized that they could have all the riches of America for themselves without sharing them with Britain and they had grown in such numbers that they could defeat both Britain and the Loyalists and they could defend their freedom on their own. Does Cyprus have the power to defend itself and defeat on its own foreign powers and the Loyalists (TCs)? NO. Cypriots on their own are not the same as Americans on their own. Americans on their own means Super Power. Cypriots on their own means Easy Target for Foreign imperialists.

[Flying Horse]

It's like arguing with a brick wall.
Sotos is right, everyone else wrong.

I live in a town with a small community of Cypriots. Be them Cypriots who came in the 50s, who still have their thick Cypriot accent, to those who were born here with Scottish accents.

Some British born have lived in Cyprus for years, and come home because of personal circumstances.
Some have been brought up in the 70s, to and fro to live with yiayia and bappou during holidays.

Then there's my kids half breed generation. So they're really only British, but some have yiayia and bappou here, teaching them their ways, some don't have any Cypriot relatives here and their parents teach them Greek, disciplines from their parents ways, go to church with other Cypriots.
The tiny lessons of Cyprus are small.... But each and every one of them in some way keep Cyprus alive.

It might be diluted Sotos, what do you expect but at least it's not dead. Not in our town!

[Get Real!]

The Greeks did came to Cyprus many 1000s years ago and this is historical fact supported by archaeology and history and the fact that we speak Greek for many 1000s of years.

That is no "historical fact" but a factoid. You should learn the difference.

According to you because Cyprus was declared a country 50 years ago that automatically created a "Cypriot ethnicity" ... but of course you are wrong and even the constitution of the country contradicts you.

How many times will you screw up in this thread?

Greece came into existence in the early 1820s so where did they get the “ethnicity” from in 1000BC that you are claiming they arrived in Cyprus? They did not even exist!

There was no Greece or Greeks until the 1820s yet you bestow them with "ETERNAL ETHNICITY"!!!

Look, your puppet masters are full of shit, Greece is full of shit and finally you're full of shit too, and I've ripped you to pieces in this thread but your stupidity knows no bounds!

Oh and btw... suck on this:

The Church of Cyprus… 2,000 years old!

The Church of Greece… 200 years old! <---

[Get Real!]

Suck on this one too you little Greek gimp…

Cyprus mentioned in the Bible about 20 times, Greece mentioned in the Bible…0 times!

Coincidence? I don’t think so! Why would they mention something that didn't exist?

Maybe you had too much “ethnicity” to make it in the good book!

Ethnically stupid!

[Get Real!]

Hey Gimp, here's another riddle for you:

Cyprus, her people, her leaders and the trade between the two kingdoms mentioned by the pharaohs of Egypt in millenniums-old hieroglyphics painted on walls of ancient tombs etc…

Greece mentioned 0 times! <---

Coincidence? I don’t think so… why the hell would they be talking about something that didn’t exist?

[Sotos]

The Greeks did came to Cyprus many 1000s years ago and this is historical fact supported by archaeology and history and the fact that we speak Greek for many 1000s of years.

That is no "historical fact" but a factoid. You should learn the difference.

According to you because Cyprus was declared a country 50 years ago that automatically created a "Cypriot ethnicity" ... but of course you are wrong and even the constitution of the country contradicts you.

How many times will you screw up in this thread?

Greece came into existence in the early 1820s so where did they get the “ethnicity” from in 1000BC that you are claiming they arrived in Cyprus? They did not even exist!

There was no Greece or Greeks until the 1820s yet you bestow them with "ETERNAL ETHNICITY"!!!

Look, your puppet masters are full of shit, Greece is full of shit and finally you're full of shit too, and I've ripped you to pieces in this thread but your stupidity knows no bounds!

Oh and btw... suck on this:

The Church of Cyprus… 2,000 years old!

The Church of Greece… 200 years old! <---

You are making a fool of yourself but you are such a fool you don't even realize it

[Sotos]

It's like arguing with a brick wall.
Sotos is right, everyone else wrong.

I live in a town with a small community of Cypriots. Be them Cypriots who came in the 50s, who still have their thick Cypriot accent, to those who were born here with Scottish accents.

Some British born have lived in Cyprus for years, and come home because of personal circumstances.
Some have been brought up in the 70s, to and fro to live with yiayia and bappou during holidays.

Then there's my kids half breed generation. So they're really only British, but some have yiayia and bappou here, teaching them their ways, some don't have any Cypriot relatives here and their parents teach them Greek, disciplines from their parents ways, go to church with other Cypriots.
The tiny lessons of Cyprus are small.... But each and every one of them in some way keep Cyprus alive.

It might be diluted Sotos, what do you expect but at least it's not dead. Not in our town!

Where is our disagreement? As you said their Cypriotness is diluted ... for some it is more diluted than others... GR is trying to tell us that he is more Cypriot than we are when actually his Cypriotness is diluted which is why he doesn't have the Greek identity like the people in Cyprus.

[Get Real!]

:lol: You are making a fool of yourself but you are such a fool you don't even realize it

Sotos, I’ve smashed your little Balkan arse on the rocks like an octopus!

Being a Limassol boy, I’m sure you’ve seen octopuses getting smashed on the rocks many times, so now you know how they feel!