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[Jerry]

How long do I have to live in the south before claiming my property? only to be told you cannot have any rights until a solution is found.

You can live and work in the ROC, I can't do that in the occupied territory. You can live in "my house" in the occupied territory free, I can't do that anywhere on the island, I'm not a refugee, so stop moaning. I don't know about your circumstances but I do know of a Turkish Cypriot who has sold and been paid for his land in the ROC. The persons who moved into my house in 1974 died, they had "willed" the property to their adult children who had also been given Greek Cypriot houses. They sold it, I happen to know how much it was on the market for, my brother saw the advert was seen in a Famagusta estate agents window - a nice little bonus for them courtesy of what is known in the north as "Greek Loot" - should keep them in BMWs and Mercs for a few years.

[Viewpoint]

How long do I have to live in the south before claiming my property? only to be told you cannot have any rights until a solution is found.

Just as long as the tc keep saying varosia will be part of a solution and not before.

So the GC claim is not valid and its wait until a solution as usual.

[Viewpoint]

How long do I have to live in the south before claiming my property? only to be told you cannot have any rights until a solution is found.

You can live and work in the ROC, I can't do that in the occupied territory. You can live in "my house" in the occupied territory free, I can't do that anywhere on the island, I'm not a refugee, so stop moaning. I don't know about your circumstances but I do know of a Turkish Cypriot who has sold and been paid for his land in the ROC. The persons who moved into my house in 1974 died, they had "willed" the property to their adult children who had also been given Greek Cypriot houses. They sold it, I happen to know how much it was on the market for, my brother saw the advert was seen in a Famagusta estate agents window - a nice little bonus for them courtesy of what is known in the north as "Greek Loot" - should keep them in BMWs and Mercs for a few years.

My families building have been knocked down although they were build of good materials before you give me that silly excuse, so we have nothing to find unlike yourself or even go visiting our families history has been wiped out in the South, all we can do is hope that we may get something for the many donums of land we have South of the border. But of course you have placed so many barriers before us its just the same as saying you cannot get your rights in the South wait until a solution. Plus I do not inhabit a disputed property, I built my own after 1974 on Turkish title deeds.

I took a bridseye view of Girne today I have also seen many pictures of the area pre 1974, the amount of building has just shot up, there are probably 10 fold or maybe more than pre 1974, we have maintained many of the GC properties but you have knocked ours down, do you think we should do the same?

[Jerry]

How long do I have to live in the south before claiming my property? only to be told you cannot have any rights until a solution is found.

You can live and work in the ROC, I can't do that in the occupied territory. You can live in "my house" in the occupied territory free, I can't do that anywhere on the island, I'm not a refugee, so stop moaning. I don't know about your circumstances but I do know of a Turkish Cypriot who has sold and been paid for his land in the ROC. The persons who moved into my house in 1974 died, they had "willed" the property to their adult children who had also been given Greek Cypriot houses. They sold it, I happen to know how much it was on the market for, my brother saw the advert was seen in a Famagusta estate agents window - a nice little bonus for them courtesy of what is known in the north as "Greek Loot" - should keep them in BMWs and Mercs for a few years.

My families building have been knocked down although they were build of good materials before you give me that silly excuse, so we have nothing to find unlike yourself or even go visiting our families history has been wiped out in the South, all we can do is hope that we may get something for the many donums of land we have South of the border. But of course you have placed so many barriers before us its just the same as saying you cannot get your rights in the South wait until a solution. Plus I do not inhabit a disputed property, I built my own after 1974 on Turkish title deeds.

I took a bridseye view of Girne today I have also seen many pictures of the area pre 1974, the amount of building has just shot up, there are probably 10 fold or maybe more than pre 1974, we have maintained many of the GC properties but you have knocked ours down, do you think we should do the same?

Don't talk rubbish, buildings have been flattened on both sides, two in my family's come to mind. Maintained properties, don't make me laugh, have you ever looked at Varosha, you let it rot out of pure malice. As for all the new building you boast about, most of it is on stolen GC land sold for profit to carpetbaggers. The difficulties you encounter with your property in the ROC are a consequence of your "government's" policy of giving you our land which has been sold on, and you then expect restitution/compensation for your property in the south, it's called double dipping

[Viewpoint]

Maraş is a closed off area of course its deteriorated, dont forget you rejected its return 10 years ago, but in general we have looked after your properties much better than you have ours. Im totally against douple dipping but if the rule is no return or compensation until after a solution then surely this should be the same case for both sides or both sides should have an IPC to deal with claims.

[Jerry]

Maraş is a closed off area of course its deteriorated, dont forget you rejected its return 10 years ago, but in general we have looked after your properties much better than you have ours. Im totally against douple dipping but if the rule is no return or compensation until after a solution then surely this should be the same case for both sides or both sides should have an IPC to deal with claims.

Why is Varosha closed off? Revenge, spite, malice, give one logical reason why its inhabitants have been kept out. The buildings would have been in much the same condition 10 years ago as they are now. Greek Cypriots do not have the opportunity to double dip or profit from the sale of your property that's the difference between the free ROC and the occupied territory.

[Viewpoint]

Maraş is a closed off area of course its deteriorated, dont forget you rejected its return 10 years ago, but in general we have looked after your properties much better than you have ours. Im totally against douple dipping but if the rule is no return or compensation until after a solution then surely this should be the same case for both sides or both sides should have an IPC to deal with claims.

Why is Varosha closed off? Revenge, spite, malice, give one logical reason why its inhabitants have been kept out. The buildings would have been in much the same condition 10 years ago as they are now. Greek Cypriots do not have the opportunity to double dip or profit from the sale of your property that's the difference between the free ROC and the occupied territory.

Its a bargining chip, just as you have our recognition we have your Maraş, we offered it back but you refused in the referendum. Then you should have controls in place that TCs have not double dipped a land registry search from the north and south would easily reveal these sorts of transactions. Where there is no will there is no way, you dont have the money to pay anyone anyway so what would be the use?

[Klik]

No announcement yet?

[bill cobbett]

No announcement yet?

Yes... just out...

It's 90 Million Euros

For the relis of the Missing and the Enclaved of the Karpas.

R THESE REASONS, THE COURT

1. Holds, by sixteen votes to one, that the passage of time since the delivery of the principal judgment of 10 May 2001 has not rendered the applicant Government’s just satisfaction claims inadmissible;

2. Holds, by sixteen votes to one, that Article 41 applies to the present case insofar as the missing persons are concerned;

3. Holds, by fifteen votes to two, that Article 41 applies to the present case insofar as the enclaved Greek Cypriot residents of the Karpas peninsula are concerned;

4. Holds, by fifteen votes to two,
(a) that the respondent Government is to pay the applicant Government, within three months, EUR 30,000,000 (thirty million euros), plus any tax that may be chargeable, in respect of non-pecuniary damage suffered by the relatives of the missing persons;
(b) that from the expiry of the above-mentioned three months until settlement simple interest shall be payable on the above amount at a rate equal to the marginal lending rate of the European Central Bank during the default period plus three percentage points;
(c) that the above amount shall be distributed by the applicant Government to the individual victims under the supervision of the Committee of Ministers within eighteen months from the date of the payment or within any other period considered appropriate by the Committee of Ministers;

5. Holds, by fifteen votes to two,
(a) that the respondent Government is to pay the applicant Government, within three months, EUR 60,000,000 (sixty million euros), plus any tax that may be chargeable, in respect of non-pecuniary damage suffered by the enclaved Greek Cypriot residents of the Karpas peninsula;
(b) that from the expiry of the above-mentioned three months until settlement simple interest shall be payable on the above amount at a rate equal to the marginal lending rate of the European Central Bank during the default period plus three percentage points;
(c) that the above amount shall be distributed by the applicant Government to the individual victims under the supervision of the Committee of Ministers within eighteen months from the date of the payment or within any other period considered appropriate by the Committee of Ministers.

http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/sites/eng/Pages/search.aspx#{"itemid":["001-144151"]}

[Maximus]

So this is compensation in respect to non-pecuniary damages suffered by the relatives of the missing persons and for those enclaved;

There should be more to come.