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[Maximus]

The ECHR as a body of the CoE does have ultimate sanctions it can impose on states, namely the suspension or even expulsion of said state from the organisation itself (the Council of Europe) as for example when is suspended Greece's membership in 1969.

The IPC, a body set up by Turkey as a result of ECHR rulings has to date paid out £155,294,881 in settled claims.

Thats nothing compared to how much this is going to be. It will be more than enough to make her but hole pucker up.

Turkey has not purchased $155,294,881 worth of Cypriot property either.

[B25]

And you think that a miserly £155m is enough for the damage, murders and occupation of 37% of our country.

You could win more than that on the Euro lottery FFS.

So much for sanctions, mickey mouse BS.

[erolz66]

And you think that a miserly £155m is enough for the damage, murders and occupation of 37% of our country.

You could win more than that on the Euro lottery FFS.

So much for sanctions, mickey mouse BS.

Debate is not your strong point is it b25 ?

You said there were no consequences re ECHR rulings. Actually there are the ultimate being suspension or expulsion of the offending state from the CoE (and this has been used historically by the CoE in the example of Greece). You said Turkey will not pay up - yet it has paid up 155 million sterling to date as a result of a ECHR ruling against it and as and when more claims are made it will pay more. So basically both your assertions are factually incorrect, but lets not let facts get in the way of your race based hate posts shall we ? I mean they never have before so why change ?

[erolz66]

Thats nothing compared to how much this is going to be. It will be more than enough to make her but hole pucker up.

The sums are large but not impossibly so. Also do not forget that there is 'balancing' value in the land lost by TC in the south as a result of 74. Land does not disappear. Certainly there is a shortfall between the private land lost by TC in the south and that gained by the TRNC in the north as a result of 74 in terms of square meters, It is far from clear however if that is a shortfall in relative monetary values. If it is then it is this difference that would be the ultimate 'bill' for Turkey should all GC seek and accept redress via the IPC.

[Sotos]

And you think that a miserly £155m is enough for the damage, murders and occupation of 37% of our country.

You could win more than that on the Euro lottery FFS.

So much for sanctions, mickey mouse BS.

Debate is not your strong point is it b25 ?

You said there were no consequences re ECHR rulings. Actually there are the ultimate being suspension or expulsion of the offending state from the CoE (and this has been used historically by the CoE in the example of Greece). You said Turkey will not pay up - yet it has paid up 155 million sterling to date as a result of a ECHR ruling against it and as and when more claims are made it will pay more. So basically both your assertions are factually incorrect, but lets not let facts get in the way of your race based hate posts shall we ? I mean they never have before so why change ?

They pay a tiny fraction of what those properties are worth taking advantage of the needs of people and of the fact that they can not use or sell their properties in the free market... and they do that only because they want to permanently remove GCs from their homeland in the north... not because they care to comply with any rulings.

[Maximus]

Thats nothing compared to how much this is going to be. It will be more than enough to make her but hole pucker up.

The sums are large but not impossibly so. Also do not forget that there is 'balancing' value in the land lost by TC in the south as a result of 74. Land does not disappear. Certainly there is a shortfall between the private land lost by TC in the south and that gained by the TRNC in the north as a result of 74 in terms of square meters, It is far from clear however if that is a shortfall in relative monetary values. If it is then it is this difference that would be the ultimate 'bill' for Turkey should all GC seek and accept redress via the IPC.

If you had to put a figure on this sum, how large would you make it?

[Sotos]

Thats nothing compared to how much this is going to be. It will be more than enough to make her but hole pucker up.

The sums are large but not impossibly so. Also do not forget that there is 'balancing' value in the land lost by TC in the south as a result of 74. Land does not disappear. Certainly there is a shortfall between the private land lost by TC in the south and that gained by the TRNC in the north as a result of 74 in terms of square meters, It is far from clear however if that is a shortfall in relative monetary values. If it is then it is this difference that would be the ultimate 'bill' for Turkey should all GC seek and accept redress via the IPC.

The ultimate bill for the Turks will be when it will be payback time for all the crimes you committed against us. You think that you can pay the refugees some money for their properties and close the issue?

[erolz66]

They pay a tiny fraction of what those properties are worth taking advantage of the needs of people and of the fact that they can not use or sell their properties in the free market... and they do that only because they want to permanently remove GCs from their homeland in the north... not because they care to comply with any rulings.

I understand Sotos that from a GC perspective like yours any international ruling or resolution that goes in your favour is sacrosanct and any that does not is just bullshit. I understand this just as I understand such perspectives only goes to show just how extremist your view actually is.

The fact is the IPC was set up by Turkey as a result of ECHR rulings against it. It operation was revised because of ECHR rulings about it. The ECHR has now, after these revisions, deemed that it is an effective means of redress for GC who lost property as a result of 74. I understand you do not like this fact but it remains true none the less. The ECHR has the jurisdiction to make such a legal determination and it has. No one is obliged to take this redress if they do not want to. They can also go back to the ECHR if they feel the redress offered to them is not fair. If only TC who had lost land in the south as a result of 74 and have not to date had anything in redress for their loss had such a mechanism. Maybe soon they will also be able to apply to the IPC for redress as well.

[erolz66]

If you had to put a figure on this sum, how large would you make it?

I have no idea. I do know however that the idea that it is only the sum of all lost GC land as a result of 74 is a flawed idea and that the amount is the net difference between this and the value of TC land in the south that those TC who chose to, handed over to the TRNC in exchange for land given to them in the North post 74.

[Get Real!]

If you had to put a figure on this sum, how large would you make it?

I have no idea. I do know however that the idea that it is only the sum of all lost GC land as a result of 74 is a flawed idea and that the amount is the net difference between this and the value of TC land in the south that those TC who chose to, handed over to the TRNC in exchange for land given to them in the North post 74.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Have you devised Turkish formulas for land appropriation?