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[boulio]

Eroglu talking about the territory chapter,stating that the least amount of people need to be moved with the north state after a a solution and that there must be a grace period so new homes can be built.We went on to state that the realities of the last 40 years must be taken into consideration.

News Flash for eroglu.the more territory you give back the less issues with the property and the governance/bizonality chapters you will have.The settlers who do not qualify can be sent back to turkey as well.


If tc and settlers by birth and marriage stay and the amount is 150000-175000 they can leave easily in a state in the north that comprimises of about 23-25% of the north.

http://www.sigmalive.com/news/politics/125087

[Oceanside50]

Eroglu talking about the territory chapter,stating that the least amount of people need to be moved with the north state after a a solution and that there must be a grace period so new homes can be built.We went on to state that the realities of the last 40 years must be taken into consideration.

News Flash for eroglu.the more territory you give back the less issues with the property and the governance/bizonality chapters you will have.The settlers who do not qualify can be sent back to turkey as well.


If tc and settlers by birth and marriage stay and the amount is 150000-175000 they can leave easily in a state in the north that comprimises of about 23-25% of the north.

http://www.sigmalive.com/news/politics/125087

150-175,000 can easily fit into a city the size of Limassol....my question is, why even have a mini state in a federated system when you can have a unitary state and everyone goes back to their villages tc/gc..?

[boulio]

That's he ideal solution but this is cyprus

[Nikitas]

If we were not such naive self deluding idiots we would have realised from the start two basics

a- federation is partition with a polite name

b- territory is the basis of everything and should have been the first issue to be settled

Soysal said it clearly: any solution must be amenable to a possible secession by the north in case they do not like living under federation, in other words this solution is an interim stage for Turkey, a prelude to secession and full independence. Anyone who thinks otherwise will live to regret it. Soysal is Turkish and served as adviser to Denktash and that is where Eroglu is coming from politically.

Therefore it is vital to settle the territory first. And the solution should be along lines of how much of the ISLAND not the RoC the TC side will have. The island includes the SBAsm the RoC does not.

A clear, unequivocal, internationally guaranteed and endorsed statement that the TCs relinquish ALL claims to any part of the island not included in their part.

Clear and easily policed and defended demarcation lines. Those "teats" of the Annan maps were sheer idiocy in terms of defencibility.

An indisputable statement that the SBAs burden the GC part, and whatever happens with them in the future will involve the UK and the GCs only, no one else.

The demarcation lines should not allow for any point of contact between the SBAs and the TC part.

The terrirory issue involves factors such as a per capita area and also a per capita length of coastline.

Territory includes the continental shelf and the EEZ so we solve that nonsense here and now.

These are things the West would understand. They are simple concepts accessible to the sports oriented American and EU minds. Issues such as governance and the constitutional structure, are too complex for them. Unfortunately they are the things most GC politicians hark on about and lose the argument before it even starts. No one really gives a crap about our future system of governance, but everyone understands who has what on the ground and who they would have to deal with if they want oil, gas, bases or any other facilities.

Sorry to be cynical, but that is the way I see it. The other way is to give up the BBF meme and restate the situation as one of invasion and occupation and reassert the rights of all Cypriots to the whole island. See anyone willing to do that? Me neither.

[Pyrpolizer]

Let's get serious here Nikitas federation doesn't mean partition. Is just a form of governance.
I agree with you that we have to be very careful about the territory and other issues, but frankly speaking i see almost zero chance of secession under EU.
Soysal and others from the Denktash school were always idiots, I mean they were planning for a separate state for almost 50 years now and look to what they have ended... to a dead end they don't even know how to get out.
Don't take their "dreams" very seriously. The kibrislis themselves as a people will stick with teeth and nails to the agreed solution.They already learned what it means to secede. The Denktash and Eroglu era will be history before you know it after a solution.

[Lordo]

have they not succeeded then, what are you blind or def.............................................

[Pyrpolizer]

Do you seriously call a puppet administration to Turkey, your living on handouts from them, be called ungrateful British bastards by Erdogan, having your own people be replaced by settlers, living on stolen properties, not recognized by anyone, having all sorts of problems in business, and travel a success? "Success" was only for the Denktashes and those who use he Kibrislis as consumables.

[Jerry]

Nikitas is spot on, territory is the first and most important matter to settle. If sufficient territory is returned the settlers and carpetbaggers (who will presumably move north or go home) won't be an issue. The fascist nutters on both sides (we have a few on CF) will jeopardise the federation and risk the north breaking away, it's a risk the ROC can't take. Territory for autonomy even if it is a sham and temporary federation.

[Nikitas]

Pyro,

I would love to agree with you about the Eroglu era becoming a historic relic. Unfortunately I see the linkage between territory and governance system projected by the TC negotiator. In the past and also now, as we saw just last week when the TC negotiator presented the situation once again as part of the give and take. In other words the more we give on governance and veer to confederation the more territory they will relinquish.

We need to cut this bullshit. First we deal with the territory, applying different principles and not use it as a counterbalance to the constitutional setup. Then, after we settle the territory, we can decide the governance system, which in my opinion will not last long anyway. The modern equivalent of the Bozkur Bayrak will see to it and we will have a deadlock on some issue or other pretty soon, EU or no EU. The desires of the TCs are of doubtful effectiveness, in my opinion. I am willing to be surprised and see evidence that they are no longer willing to be treated like colonials.

And naturally the GC part must retain substantive recognition that no matter what happens it is the successor and continuation of the RoC.

[Lordo]

if you are expecting huge swathes of people to be moved yert again, it just goes to show how stupid you people are. it aint gona happen not after 50 years and not for the third time.

iyi gunner my swine friends.