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by **Maximus** » Fri May 09, 2014 10:47 am

Viewpoint wrote:If that post was aimed at me maximalist, dont bother anymore we have absolutely nothing to say to each other because you support extremist, facist maximilistic views which are a waste of time and not worth being taken seriously. So dont expect any responses from me your not going to get any and please dont respond to any of my posts, Thank you.

I will do what I want and if you choose to not reply then that is your choice.

by **Piratis** » Fri May 09, 2014 9:54 pm

The route or the events still lead to a place where reality has to be taken into consideration, 1974 changed Cyprus forever, time to take the current day factors and move forward from there...do the majority of GCs support a BBF? if they do not then why is your leadership saying you do?

The "current factors" are exactly what forced GCs to accept BBF as a huge compromise. However "BBF" is not something specific, it is something vague and we can't even agree on its meaning.

The version of BBF that GCs would accept (and I am talking about the people, not Anastasiades) is one with a strong central government which is democratically elected by the whole population, where the amount of territory and power of the states is based on population percentages, and where human rights are restored.

On the other hand what TCs want is basically partition with a loose association of the two parts, a weak central government that will not be able to take any decision by democratic means and legalization of the ethnic cleansing and all the illegalities that happened the last decades.

by **Viewpoint** » Fri May 09, 2014 11:12 pm

Piratis wrote:
The route or the events still lead to a place where reality has to be taken into consideration, 1974 changed Cyprus forever, time to take the current day factors and move forward from there...do the majority of GCs support a BBF? if they do not then why is your leadership saying you do?

The "current factors" are exactly what forced GCs to accept BBF as a huge compromise. However "BBF" is not something specific, it is something vague and we can't even agree on its meaning.

The version of BBF that GCs would accept (and I am talking about the people, not Anastasiades) is one with a strong central government which is democratically elected by the whole population, where the amount of territory and power of the states is based on population percentages, and where human rights are restored.

On the other hand what TCs want is basically partition with a loose association of the two parts, a weak central government that will not be able to take any decision by democratic means and legalization of the ethnic cleansing and all the illegalities that happened the last decades.

Piratis you really need to update yourself on what Tcs want, please go meet a few of all ages so you can get a general feel for what TCs fears concerns and demands are, they are not far off from your own, the main difference is you want to use your numerical advantage to take control of the whole island whereas we want to share equally.

by **Piratis** » Sat May 10, 2014 12:05 am

What we want is a fair proportional share, while on the other hand you want a disproportionally large share on our expense.

This does not create equality, but on the contrary it is a discrimination that creates inequality among the citizens.

by **Viewpoint** » Sat May 10, 2014 12:13 am

Piratis wrote:What we want is a fair proportional share, while on the other hand you want a disproportionally large share on our expense.

This does not create equality, but on the contrary it is a discrimination that creates inequality among the citizens.

Do you accept we are two equal partners? at which point do we want what you claim above?

by **repulsewarrior** » Sat May 10, 2014 12:19 am

respectfully vp, there are three flags, would you agree that in any case, it is the Cypriot Flag which must fly higher?

by **Viewpoint** » Sat May 10, 2014 12:22 am

repulsewarrior wrote:respectfully vp, there are three flags, would you agree that in any case, it is the Cypriot Flag which must fly higher?

A united Cyprus flag, of course higher than a state flag.

by **Nikitas** » Sat May 17, 2014 3:11 pm

VP said the invasion in 1974 changed Cyprus foerever.

If you are naive enough to believe that the 1974 invasion was the final play, then yes. But it was not. The Turkish reaction to the discovery of oil and gas in what is OBVIOUSLY the EEZ of the south is a clear indication that the plan does not stop at 1974. We ain't seen nothing yet!

by **Pyrpolizer** » Sat May 17, 2014 10:25 pm

Let;s face it, our leaders manipulate us like lambs. We know nothing of what is going on in the negotiations, we know nothing of what each side puts on the table. This gives ample room for the TC leadership to manipulate the Kibrislis telling them the Kypreoi want to dominate you, don't want to share anything etc etc, and the GC leadership telling the Kypreoi that the other side wants Confederation or near partition preparing the ground for eventual secession.
Unless I see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears I don;t beleive anyone.
It;s about time the UN take the responsibility (as their moral duty is) to inform the people in detail of each sides exact proposals at the negotiations. All this tactic of keeping the people in the dark has cost us 40 years of NO RESULTS.