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[Get Real!]

What I said is that you are not NATIVE...

Well neither are you if we're to believe your story that your ancestors arrived here at around 1,000BC in wooden boats and eliminated Cypriots, kinda like the Vikings occupied Greenland etc.

Once again, what you’re saying to Erol is that you are a “better” foreigner than him!

It doesn’t look like you realize that your Greek fable is what’s destroying your case every time!

It’s what encouraged Turkey to invade once you had convinced them that you were foreigners too!

If you commence a campaign in your neighborhood that the house you are living in is not actually yours because you ejected the legal owner and occupied it some years ago… well sooner or later some other desperate or greedy guy is gonna eject you from this “available” house and call it his own!

Your attitude made Cyprus appear “available” and up for grabs!

Cyprus was part of the Greek civilization from the very beginning of this civilization. In Cyprus the Greek ethnicity has existed for longer time than most other ethnic groups existed in their current territories.

I don’t believe in Greek civilizations and green horses Piratis and neither should you as there was never a Greece during that period so there could not have been a “Greek civilization” either.

You cannot have a people without a state or a state without a people… BOTH must exist or neither one is valid!

So basically your story that a nation that did not exist, had satellite-states as far as Cyprus (500+ miles away) is as far fetched as a story can get!

Just because some people in a given region may share some traits (language, religion, customs, etc) doesn’t automatically mean that they also had a state and that they are an “ethnicity” or of some kind of "higher order"!

It’s all man-made bullshit of political CONVENIENCE to further their expansionistic aspirations.

You know that and I know that… so let’s cut the Greek bullshit shall we?

[repulsewarrior]

...whereas English is the Lingua Franca today, where 90% of the world's population speak it, but that 90% are of another tongue, Greek at some point was spoken in the same way, Customs Greek were the facility of exchange, both social and economic (read: politically,1/4 globe). is it absurd to think that things will be different for English in the Long Term, will the "English" lament the loss, if you will, "Greeks" must feel, today? an interesting question perhaps, but more to the point, it is absurd to believe that "Greek" can survive in any case, two hundred years from now, in Cyprus; those born "Greek" will represent a majority perhaps, but not overwhelmingly, a willingness to "be" Greek will be the most natural way to define Greek Cypriot, it will not be "pure" ethnicity, because already, today, a majority are multilingual. and to survive, to "be" Greek (read: or any other Language/Ethnicity) i suggest that the willingness to defend each other (in this case), in Cyprus, as Constituencies, will in the long-run be key in preventing otherwise a disaster where Greek in Cyprus is a second language (further still in time, ) because there won't be enough "Greeks" to justify it being taught as a first language, or it will be spoken like French, in New Orleans (a badge of Honour, a noble oral tradition). people, the People, need choice, that choice institutionalised, having more than one "Official Language" to apply ourselves best, suits the qualities of our competitiveness having become informed, choosing to act for themselves on many different levels. without variety as Human beings, but more to the point, as Cypriots, we are doomed to suffer some consequence by ignoring the need to be welcoming, welcomes changes we must make in ourselves. Cyprus, at this point needs to prepare for the future.

given the concern we should place on the extinction of our Ethnosphere, as Human beings, one would think that in Cyprus this thinking can be placed into reality, where willingness is demonstrated as a whole, for a world of many languages, with the identification of a set of distinct identities in which we can invest (by where we reside), so that as Persons (not just as mono-clonal states) we can choose to live within the context of one or the other (this is Liberty). whether the population is overwhelmingly of one ethnicity or not (within these Constituencies), one would expect (not from Constituencies but a State) from the State, and the Government we as Individuals elect, a representation which defends Cyprus, this Flag above any other, and where we as Cypriots (despite our differences, (visible, or not so visible)) demonstrate our commitment to bettering Universal Principals (this is Freedom); in the context of two levels of government, Bicommunal makes sense, for the Person, (and what is in my mind more important,) for the Individual.

[Piratis]

What I said is that you are not NATIVE...

Well neither are you if we're to believe your story that your ancestors arrived here at around 1,000BC in wooden boats and eliminated Cypriots, kinda like the Vikings occupied Greenland etc.

Once again, what you’re saying to Erol is that you are a “better” foreigner than him!

It doesn’t look like you realize that your Greek fable is what’s destroying your case every time!

It’s what encouraged Turkey to invade once you had convinced them that you were foreigners too!

If you commence a campaign in your neighborhood that the house you are living in is not actually yours because you ejected the legal owner and occupied it some years ago… well sooner or later some other desperate or greedy guy is gonna eject you from this “available” house and call it his own!

Your attitude made Cyprus appear “available” and up for grabs!

Cyprus was part of the Greek civilization from the very beginning of this civilization. In Cyprus the Greek ethnicity has existed for longer time than most other ethnic groups existed in their current territories.

I don’t believe in Greek civilizations and green horses Piratis and neither should you as there was never a Greece during that period so there could not have been a “Greek civilization” either.

You cannot have a people without a state or a state without a people… BOTH must exist or neither one is valid!

So basically your story that a nation that did not exist, had satellite-states as far as Cyprus (500+ miles away) is as far fetched as a story can get!

Just because some people in a given region may share some traits (language, religion, customs, etc) doesn’t automatically mean that they also had a state and that they are an “ethnicity” or of some kind of "higher order"!

It’s all man-made bullshit of political CONVENIENCE to further their expansionistic aspirations.

You know that and I know that… so let’s cut the Greek bullshit shall we?

I really don't need to waste my time arguing with your nonsense when the Greek Civilization is taught at just about every good university around the globe.

Good luck living in your own little world of ignorance.

[ayyannili]

What I said is that you are not NATIVE...

Well neither are you if we're to believe your story that your ancestors arrived here at around 1,000BC in wooden boats and eliminated Cypriots, kinda like the Vikings occupied Greenland etc.

Once again, what you’re saying to Erol is that you are a “better” foreigner than him!

It doesn’t look like you realize that your Greek fable is what’s destroying your case every time!

It’s what encouraged Turkey to invade once you had convinced them that you were foreigners too!

If you commence a campaign in your neighborhood that the house you are living in is not actually yours because you ejected the legal owner and occupied it some years ago… well sooner or later some other desperate or greedy guy is gonna eject you from this “available” house and call it his own!

Your attitude made Cyprus appear “available” and up for grabs!

Cyprus was part of the Greek civilization from the very beginning of this civilization. In Cyprus the Greek ethnicity has existed for longer time than most other ethnic groups existed in their current territories.

I don’t believe in Greek civilizations and green horses Piratis and neither should you as there was never a Greece during that period so there could not have been a “Greek civilization” either.

You cannot have a people without a state or a state without a people… BOTH must exist or neither one is valid!

So basically your story that a nation that did not exist, had satellite-states as far as Cyprus (500+ miles away) is as far fetched as a story can get!

Just because some people in a given region may share some traits (language, religion, customs, etc) doesn’t automatically mean that they also had a state and that they are an “ethnicity” or of some kind of "higher order"!

It’s all man-made bullshit of political CONVENIENCE to further their expansionistic aspirations.

You know that and I know that… so let’s cut the Greek bullshit shall we?

I really don't need to waste my time arguing with your nonsense when the Greek Civilization is taught at just about every good university around the globe.

Good luck living in your own little world of ignorance.

The civilizations they teach are the Greek-speaking city states that ruled and fought with each other. The whole concept of Hellenism only came up in the late 1700s at the same time that others nationalisms were growing in the Ottoman Empire.

The key here is the concept of "Greek-speaking"

[Piratis]

The civilizations they teach are the Greek-speaking city states that ruled and fought with each other. The whole concept of Hellenism only came up in the late 1700s at the same time that others nationalisms were growing in the Ottoman Empire.

The key here is the concept of "Greek-speaking"

You are wrong. Even from the time of the Greek city states there was a well defined distinction between Hellenes and non-Hellenes.

And Greeks are obviously "Greek speaking".

[Get Real!]

I really don't need to waste my time arguing with your nonsense when the Greek Civilization is taught at just about every good university around the globe.

Good luck living in your own little world of ignorance.

Without common sense and the ability to think for yourself you are resigned to relying on books written by fantasists who filled in the huge missing details of what happened in the past thus creating a myriad of factoids which you are only too happy to digest regardless of how ridiculous their stories may be!

Good luck living in the herd.

[Get Real!]

The civilizations they teach are the Greek-speaking city states that ruled and fought with each other. The whole concept of Hellenism only came up in the late 1700s at the same time that others nationalisms were growing in the Ottoman Empire.

The key here is the concept of "Greek-speaking"

You are wrong. Even from the time of the Greek city states there was a well defined distinction between Hellenes and non-Hellenes.

And Greeks are obviously "Greek speaking".

What a load of rubbish! No such thing as "hellene" even existed.

[Piratis]

I really don't need to waste my time arguing with your nonsense when the Greek Civilization is taught at just about every good university around the globe.

Good luck living in your own little world of ignorance.

Without common sense and the ability to think for yourself you are resigned to relying on books written by fantasists who filled in the huge missing details of what happened in the past thus creating a myriad of factoids which you are only too happy to digest regardless of how ridiculous their stories may be!

Good luck living in the herd.

What universities teach and what is written in serious books of history is a result of research and studies by specialists. While it is obvious that this scientific analysis can not yet provide all the details, it is certainly far more accurate than what you come up with using your not so "common sense" and your imagination, while having zero knowledge of our history (books and universities are useless according to you, so where does your knowledge come from? The God?)

[repulsewarrior]

i believe there was a Greek Civilization, the size of a City, States. it like any other was based on Principal, Customs, a Rule of Law, a Medium of Exchange, which when applied by populations, provided for their own pursuits toward happiness, and so it grew.

...is there an "English" Civilization, what with its power as a language? and if it is language, the most effective tool of Imperialists (what of Imperialism and Ethnicity?), what of the export of this culture around the world? (((American ethnicity; who/what is that?)...i guess there is none but the Native Americans) ...the American way, though, there surely is one.)

...was it Socrates that said, Democracy works as far as a man's voice can be heard?

[Get Real!]

I really don't need to waste my time arguing with your nonsense when the Greek Civilization is taught at just about every good university around the globe.

Good luck living in your own little world of ignorance.

Without common sense and the ability to think for yourself you are resigned to relying on books written by fantasists who filled in the huge missing details of what happened in the past thus creating a myriad of factoids which you are only too happy to digest regardless of how ridiculous their stories may be!

Good luck living in the herd.

What universities teach and what is written in serious books of history is a result of research and studies by specialists. While it is obvious that this scientific analysis can not yet provide all the details, it is certainly far more accurate than what you come up with using your not so "common sense" and your imagination, while having zero knowledge of our history (books and universities are useless according to you, so where does your knowledge come from? The God?)

All the important “discoveries” (including all those pertaining to the “Greek Civilization”) were made and recorded ages ago… in the 18th and 19th centuries by liars, deceivers, imposters, opportunists and just total amateurs who would go to any length for profit and fame.

One such individual (among many) was the German Schliemann who was so eager to discover “Troy” (on the western shores of Turkey) and become famous, that he implanted artifacts he pinched from elsewhere in the ground and pretended to have uncovered the entire ancient establishment. He paid a bunch of Turkish peasants to bury and then uncover all sorts of stuff in the presence of “observers”.

Hundreds of careless and greedy fools like him have destroyed much of our ancient history and although we have good honest well-educated people today it’s a bit too late for them to correct things.