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[repulsewarrior]

...maybe someone can help, sorry Lordo, i don't get what you are saying.

rw these two guys are against bbf. they see bbf as legalised division. even kikapu no longer believes that and accepts that bbf can work given certain guarantees that a state cannot separate from the republic without the consent of the other.

considering the position the talks are at and the agreement is almost there, it puts these two guys on the crackpot revolutionary list. i am aware of at least 3 others like them. they want to take cyprus back to 1960 agreement. i am not aware of a single gc here or anywhere that thinks that it is desirable or achievable. they have used the flag issue to further their cause and were very disappointed when people did not flock to their cause. people do not have any more apetite for extremism. the liberals have taken control and bbf is almost there.

Lordo, even i am against what you describe as a BBF (or "bbf"). Cyprus is one country, one State, whether within it Cypriots identify themselves' more distinctly, or not.

...it is a matter of what is natural. We are Cypriots, the stewards of this island, if we are to have self-representation then it is to be as Cypriots. In affect this is the great compromise, where the vast and overwhelming majority agree, as Greeks, that Cypriot, in defending each other, has a wider meaning that they are a part of.

The "Turks", like the "Greeks", have failed with their Agendas, there may be in Cyprus, some (not all), of "them". Now, Cyprus exists.

[Lordo]

if you ignore what has happened in the last 50 years sure, but we cannot. bbf is the only game in town and so openly opposing it and encouraging others to vote no may mean a no vote from the gcs. that means permanent division into two states. there will be no more talks about unification. is this a risk you are prepared to take? not that what these two say about the talks is taken seriously by anybody. i am still waiting for an answer to the question i put some time ago. these to tcs want to return to the 1960 constitution. is there anybody here who see it as achievable or even desirable.

[repulsewarrior]

...intentions are important. Starting points perhaps less so. In any case starting there is as good a place as any. It is the Constitution which needs reform.

[Lordo]

that id about 33 years too late rw. that was agreed by dengtash and clerides and was vetoed by magarios becasue it excluded enosis. we are not going back to there, not when the new plan is almost agreed. we can see the light at the end of the tunnel rw. the leaders thing it is possible to have an agreement by december and vote on it april may time.

[repulsewarrior]

...there is optimism, i will grant you that. and it has been a rare sentiment these last few years, so it appears to be even more hopeful.

Indeed, one Cyprus, a Government where Cypriots, as Individuals, can represent themselves as one People, Cypriots (without any further distinction or discrimination), would be nice.

And Cypriot Constituencies (I figure there are four or five), each equal, having a form of self-representation where, as distinct identities they can sustain themselves, as Persons.

; this is Bicommunal.

[Lordo]

...there is optimism, i will grant you that. and it has been a rare sentiment these last few years, so it appears to be even more hopeful.

Indeed, one Cyprus, a Government where Cypriots, as Individuals, can represent themselves as one People, Cypriots (without any further distinction or discrimination), would be nice.

And Cypriot Constituencies (I figure there are four or five), each equal, having a form of self-representation where, as distinct identities they can sustain themselves, as Persons.

; this is Bicommunal.

if there are four it makes them quadcommunal and if five then pentcommunal. bicommunal is two rw.

[repulsewarrior]

that id about 33 years too late rw. that was agreed by dengtash and clerides and was vetoed by magarios becasue it excluded enosis. we are not going back to there, not when the new plan is almost agreed. we can see the light at the end of the tunnel rw. the leaders thing it is possible to have an agreement by december and vote on it april may time.

hate to tell you this, but your reasoning sounds exactly like vp. you could be reading from the same book i suppose...

so what are you saying, discount the Flag of Cyprus, discount any idea that Cypriots are Cypriots, as simple as that, because two Cypriots, as you suggest, imagine a starting point, if "anyone" is listening, that conflicts with one you are unclear in explaining, that we are on the brink?

...hope that "the leaders" have what kind of an idea, "two parts", is that it? Something different to one Cyprus under one Flag, is that it? you too, woof woof.

Lordo, use your brain Bicommunal: One Identity and a set of Constituencies, the Cypriot as an Individual, the Cypriot as a Person; 2, 5 , 11, 51, what's the difference, the number of these distinct identities; two levels of Government. If Cyprus is to be identified as an ethnos, as a whole and as equals, in effect, the voice of the People as Persons, an equal to the Federal Government, the People without any further distinction or discrimination. Thus Bizonal the geographic representation of Cyprus as a Bicommunal society would likely include many components to the territorial jurisdictions, as Persons, individually. There will be enclaves in the northern parts, just as there will be enclaves in the southern parts, there will be Jurisdictional Territory where as Maronites, or as Armenians, Cypriots will demonstrate there goodwill to the Cypriots among them while sustaining these identities...

...there will be one Cyprus, and they will always have a voice as Cypriots, wherever they find themselves living, in Cyprus.

[kurupetos]

...there is optimism, i will grant you that. and it has been a rare sentiment these last few years, so it appears to be even more hopeful.

Indeed, one Cyprus, a Government where Cypriots, as Individuals, can represent themselves as one People, Cypriots (without any further distinction or discrimination), would be nice.

And Cypriot Constituencies (I figure there are four or five), each equal, having a form of self-representation where, as distinct identities they can sustain themselves, as Persons.

; this is Bicommunal.

if there are four it makes them quadcommunal and if five then pentcommunal. bicommunal is two rw.

You will be with me.

[bill cobbett]

Kamil Hür is the chap who for years has flown several flags (including the Flag of the Republic) outside his home in the Occupied Areas.

Cinel Husseyin writes elsewhere with alarming news...

"...Kamil Hür's place has been set to fire this morning around 03:00.

Kamil has done his protest once again like he was doing for the past ten years opening the ROC flag with the other flags every 16 August.

For the past 3 years the police has stoped arresting him but this time his place has got burnt.

KAMIL HüR is not alone in this struggle all CYpriots must be with him

We have ONE FLAG , ONE COUNTRY , ONE GOVERMENT ( ROC ) ALL CYPRIOTs Together to get our country back...."

Here's a library picky of the CY Kamil Hür and a past display of the flags outside his home...

[bill cobbett]

The CY PIO has a bit more on this story from AFRIKA...

"... 3. Kamil Hur’s house was attacked after he celebrated the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus
Turkish Cypriot daily Afrika newspaper (18.08.15) reports that unknown persons broke into the house of Turkish Cypriot named Kamil Hur, who had held an activity on 16 August to celebrate the anniversary of the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus, and burned his flags and placards.

Under the title “Attack against Kamil Hur’s activity for the Republic of Cyprus, They burned”, Afrika writes that the fire caused damage to other material in the residence’s storehouse.

Hur stated that after the celebration he went to bed and around midnight he heard some people shouting.

He added: “My warehouse was burning.

It seems that persons saw it and notified and the fire brigade came.

The fire was extinguished with the help of my neighbours too.

During every activity the police were coming, taking notice, gathering the placards and arresting me.

This time the police did not come. Only at night when I was about to gather the placards, a civilian police officer came.

He even helped me in tidying up. Then he told me that his director wanted to meet and talk with me and then he left. […]...”