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[Viewpoint]

I would read them again guarantor rights allows Turkey to intervene and try to bring about a solution which it is still doing until this day. It is the GCs who still want to get rid of these agreements? by taking away our rights.

It is these rights that the international community pay respect to and demand that both sides are consulted and that both sides put to referendum any future solution proposals. You cannot push us to one side because like it or not our yes or no carries just as much weight as yours.

I think you're the one that needs to read those rights again VP. Turkey has an obligation to maintain and protect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the republic of Cyprus. Any intervention ( not unilateral ) can only be undertaken to restore the constitutional order of the republic of Cyprus. Turkey also signed the agreement forbidding it to promote directly or indirectly the partition or union of any part of Cyprus with another state.

And to this date we have not been able to restore agree or solve anything full stop, the last real attempt was rejected by none other than yourselves.

[DT.]

I would read them again guarantor rights allows Turkey to intervene and try to bring about a solution which it is still doing until this day. It is the GCs who still want to get rid of these agreements? by taking away our rights.

It is these rights that the international community pay respect to and demand that both sides are consulted and that both sides put to referendum any future solution proposals. You cannot push us to one side because like it or not our yes or no carries just as much weight as yours.

I think you're the one that needs to read those rights again VP. Turkey has an obligation to maintain and protect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the republic of Cyprus. Any intervention ( not unilateral ) can only be undertaken to restore the constitutional order of the republic of Cyprus. Turkey also signed the agreement forbidding it to promote directly or indirectly the partition or union of any part of Cyprus with another state.

And to this date we have not been able to restore agree or solve anything full stop, the last real attempt was rejected by none other than yourselves.

There's nothing to agree vp. Turkey is in breach of the 1960 treaty of guarantee. Constitutional order was restored straight after the invasion when Clerides became President. Turkey was obliged to hand back the land it occupied and respect the sovereignty of the Republic. In breach till this day and as long as it is in breach it can't really claim other parts of the constitution which is to turkey's liking now can it?

[Viewpoint]

I would read them again guarantor rights allows Turkey to intervene and try to bring about a solution which it is still doing until this day. It is the GCs who still want to get rid of these agreements? by taking away our rights.

It is these rights that the international community pay respect to and demand that both sides are consulted and that both sides put to referendum any future solution proposals. You cannot push us to one side because like it or not our yes or no carries just as much weight as yours.

I think you're the one that needs to read those rights again VP. Turkey has an obligation to maintain and protect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the republic of Cyprus. Any intervention ( not unilateral ) can only be undertaken to restore the constitutional order of the republic of Cyprus. Turkey also signed the agreement forbidding it to promote directly or indirectly the partition or union of any part of Cyprus with another state.

And to this date we have not been able to restore agree or solve anything full stop, the last real attempt was rejected by none other than yourselves.

There's nothing to agree vp. Turkey is in breach of the 1960 treaty of guarantee. Constitutional order was restored straight after the invasion when Clerides became President. Turkey was obliged to hand back the land it occupied and respect the sovereignty of the Republic. In breach till this day and as long as it is in breach it can't really claim other parts of the constitution which is to turkey's liking now can it?

hello wasnt gifting the whole island breaching something??? they stepped in and gave back our lives....things were not exactly going well for us during 1963 to 1974, plenty of time to make things right dont you think, the consititution had been thrown in the bin by your goodselves and you demanded 13 changes which took away our rights not hardly anything to give back...Cleridies taking back a collapsed and torn apart country that the GCs showed great incompetence in uniting was not really going to bring about any answers as the past 40 years have proved.

[repulsewarrior]

no, we have lived without violence, a lack of war to be more graphic. living peacefully would imply social-exchange, something we had before we were unnaturally divided, and something we see is still possible now that the gates have been opened.

Answer this question YES or NO, has the population in the North and South of Cyprus been living peacefully for the last 40 years?

[Maximus]

Answer this question YES or NO, has the population in the North and South of Cyprus been living peacefully for the last 40 years?

This is a fools argument because the TC's where living peacefully in Cyprus all the time.

You cant say the same about the GC's though and there was nothing peaceful about the intentions of Taksim and 'political equality'. Both Turkish inventions that resulted in crimes against humanity that has not been compensated and remains unresolved.

when I see these Turks marching in 1954 for Taksim, I see a bunch of brainless advocates for crime. A bunch of fraudulent thieves.

[Get Real!]

Answer this question YES or NO, has the population in the North and South of Cyprus been living peacefully for the last 40 years?

No it hasn't! I was involved in two skirmishes between 1983-86. I am also NOT at peace because I'm deprived of my childhood home, village, and other places at gunpoint.

I’ve also spent countless time in the military as a direct result of your “peace” when I could’ve been having quality time instead.

Like I said to Lordo, you can shove your interpretation of "peace" where the sun don't shine!

I could shoot you and declare that you’re at peace… how’s that for a similar argument?

[Viewpoint]

no, we have lived without violence, a lack of war to be more graphic. living peacefully would imply social-exchange, something we had before we were unnaturally divided, and something we see is still possible now that the gates have been opened.

Answer this question YES or NO, has the population in the North and South of Cyprus been living peacefully for the last 40 years?

Your being delusional, "lack of war" means peace, people have lived peacefully in Cyprus for 40 years, would you rather pre 1974 when according to you there was peace but people we being killed in the streets and people went missing never to be seen again and everyone lived in fear for their lives.

[Viewpoint]

Answer this question YES or NO, has the population in the North and South of Cyprus been living peacefully for the last 40 years?

This is a fools argument because the TC's where living peacefully in Cyprus all the time.

You cant say the same about the GC's though and there was nothing peaceful about the intentions of Taksim and 'political equality'. Both Turkish inventions that resulted in crimes against humanity that has not been compensated and remains unresolved.

when I see these Turks marching in 1954 for Taksim, I see a bunch of brainless advocates for crime. A bunch of fraudulent thieves.

Now you are being a fool, this declaration says it all "TC's where living peacefully in Cyprus all the time" hello you really need to talk to the older generation TCs and what they suffered at the hands of the GC MAJORITY, the fear to this day in their voice says it all.

According to elam supporters like youself you still believe that taksim was wrong and enosis was right, you will never change to understanding that you are not the supreme rulers of this island you have to share it equally, you maybe stupid in thinking this but at least your leaders have understood that they have no other option but BBF or division.

[Viewpoint]

Answer this question YES or NO, has the population in the North and South of Cyprus been living peacefully for the last 40 years?

No it hasn't! I was involved in two skirmishes between 1983-86. I am also NOT at peace because I'm deprived of my childhood home, village, and other places at gunpoint.

I’ve also spent countless time in the military as a direct result of your “peace” when I could’ve been having quality time instead.

Like I said to Lordo, you can shove your interpretation of "peace" where the sun don't shine!

I could shoot you and declare that you’re at peace… how’s that for a similar argument?

That would be murder and youd be in prison, no one can deny the fact that post 1974 a peaceful exsistence has not been prevelent far better than pre 1974 when you had stolen our rights and were trying to rule on your own, if you think about it nothing has really chnaged you are still trying to get rid of our rights to allow you do as you wish with our homeland. We will never allow this.

[Maximus]

Answer this question YES or NO, has the population in the North and South of Cyprus been living peacefully for the last 40 years?

This is a fools argument because the TC's where living peacefully in Cyprus all the time.

You cant say the same about the GC's though and there was nothing peaceful about the intentions of Taksim and 'political equality'. Both Turkish inventions that resulted in crimes against humanity that has not been compensated and remains unresolved.

when I see these Turks marching in 1954 for Taksim, I see a bunch of brainless advocates for crime. A bunch of fraudulent thieves.

Now you are being a fool, this declaration says it all "TC's where living peacefully in Cyprus all the time" hello you really need to talk to the older generation TCs and what they suffered at the hands of the GC MAJORITY, the fear to this day in their voice says it all.

According to elam supporters like youself you still believe that taksim was wrong and enosis was right, you will never change to understanding that you are not the supreme rulers of this island you have to share it equally, you maybe stupid in thinking this but at least your leaders have understood that they have no other option but BBF or division.

Is this where you barrage us with your TMT indoctrinated rubbish on what happened after the TC's sided with the colonialists and started attacking the GC's first?
The TC's started oppressing and attacking the GC's first so they retaliated. Do you comprehend or does this even register with you?

Now, you may not be able to see the video due to the Turkish you tube ban but there are some plums there with placards saying that Cyprus is Turkish because 100k Turks live there.

As GR would say, stick your ideas of a BBF and your concept of sharing where the sun doesn't shine.