erolz66 wrote:Sotos wrote:erolz66 wrote:I really do understand why you are all so surprised at this ? Taksim was an inevitable reaction to enosis ? Without enosis there could have been no way to achieve taksim even if the desire for it amongst TC was the same (and without enosis it would not have been).
Enosis was the right of the Cypriot people because it was supported by the majority of the population which is also the native population. Enosis did not entail any harm to your human rights... you could continue living in your homes with no less rights than what you had during British rule. Partition on the other hand is a crime with its main ingredients being ethnic cleansing and stealing of properties. Just comparing the two proves how sick and criminal you are... like nothing has changed in your murderous mentality since the first time you invaded our island killing 10s of thousands of people a few centuries ago... or when in 1821 you massacred 100s of innocent people just because they dared to think about freedom. In your sick mind the native people demanding their freedom gives you an excuse for genocides and ethnic cleansing. And we see this not just in Cyprus and Greeks but also with Armenians, Kurds etc.
Just as GC had the right to demand the end of British colonial rule in their homeland so too did TC have the right to resist its replacement with colonial rule from Greece in their homeland. The idea that enosis was the legitimate expression of the right to self determination of a unitary Cypriot people is just plain nonsense. You can say being forced against your will in your own homeland to submit to foreign rule is 'no harm to our human rights' but to do so is again nonsense, as the right to self determination s the fundamental right from which all others derive, That is what you sought to deprive TC of then, with the use of systematic ethnic based violence as part of the means of trying to do that.
I have never argued that taksim, achieved by force of arms against the will of GC is right or justified. I have and do argue that the pursuit of taksim was an inevitable reaction to pursuit of enosis. Enosis was not achievable without impinging on the valid rights of TC, which is why you could not get any support for it internationally. Similarly taksim was not achievable without impinging on the valid rights of GC, which is why we could not get any support for it internationally. You tried to impose enosis through the use of first inter communal force of arms against the TC and then via external force from Greece and failed. In response we tried to impose taksim by external force from Turkey and we succeeded.
The difference between us Sotos is I recognise that imposed taksim and the way it was achieved was wrong where as you do not recognise that imposed enosis and the way you tried to achieve it was wrong. You still insist that it was right. That is why you are the reason that to date we have not reached a settlement in Cyprus and I am not.
Erolz,
Some here don't even realise that Cyprus was never part of Greece and use words like " return", instead of gift to Greece. The fact is that in 1960 ALL parties concerned signed the island over to Cypriots. The first time in its history that it actually belonged to us as Cypriots. I have no doubt in my mind that along our turbulent history blood has mixed, on the ground as well as in our genes. We ARE unique as are the Maltese that I visited recently. The British have always been known for the " divide and rule" tactic but I fear it might be another Greek invention, as these mainland Greeks are showing here. GR is right to resist them and we, as TCs should assist him regardless of any other " difficulties" we face. Our internal problems should not be dictated to by them. We are not asking for anything from mainland Greeks. Greece it self says it has nothing to do with Cyprus so these remnants of a bygone ENOSIS seeking terrorists should be named and shamed. I am fed up repeating to them our rights and history. We need to discuss more with that stubborn headed GR
instead of pointless discussions with parties that have no place here.
And of course it's one way!
