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[repulsewarrior]

...you live in poop? who is the "you" in what you say, just "me"? indeed you, like a swine calling swine, swine. the smell must be getting to you, (or, who are you really,) have you finished with "your" poo-pooing?

what is it Lordo with your insistence on associating me with the worst elements of this debate, are you calling me "Greek", or are you "Turkish"? your hopelessness, is that all there is?

...Cypriot, (or Cyprus,) does not seem to exist in your vocabulary.

[Lordo]

rw i have never referred to you as a swine or anything else. when i want to refer to you i use rw in the post.

there are several gsc here on here who are true cypriots, the rest are worthless swine.

[Viewpoint]

Yes, I claim they do not have a right to self determination in Cyprus. It really is that simple.

Well here you show your total stupidity and contempt for EVERYONE has such a right. The only question is how and through what means they are able to exercise that right. By the statement above you show your true extremism and show why we needed communal rights and protections then and why we need them today.

no not really. minorities do not have any right to self determination by ethnically cleansing land, rearranging the demographics and cultural heritage, with the help off third party countries.

The events of 74 came after 14 years of you denying our rights and using illegal violence against us to do so. This dose not justify the events of 74 but does explain them. If we are talking of a settlement to solve the issues, then your continued insistence that we have no rights it what actually sustains the non solution.

Once again what made TC more than just a minority within a CYPRIOT nation and people was you choice to declare than such a nation and people did not exist. In a scenario where you did not do that TC would exercise their right to self determination as part of the unitary Cypriot people and as a minority as part of the TC community with Cyprus. However in a scenario where you claim that Cyprus does not exist and unitary Cypriot people does not exist, you preclude the option for TC to exercise their rights to self determination as part of a unitary Cypriot people and nation and thus they get to exercise them as part of some other grouping and as such equal to any all other groupings.

It is clear you do not accept this. You did not accept it then and do not accept it now. It is further clear that you think not accepting this justifies all the illegal ethnic force and terror you community used against ours in the period 63-74. As it is clear that you want to today try and put right everything that you lost in 74 as a result of refusing to accept this whilst still continuing to not accept it. Any you claim WE are an obstacle to a settlement ?

Such discussion with people like you maximalist on for a such as this are pointless . They can achieve nothing positive and may well only make things worse.

Fantastic post Erol, you have just blown maxis arguements to pieces and shown him for what he really is a maximilist new generation eoka terrorist, keep posting.

[boulio]

Lordo firstly watch your mouth and keep your childish insults to your self.Founding country really ?if we are discuss anything it should be reality you and many tc don't live in it.

[repulsewarrior]

rw the roc needs as much reform as the ss run germany, the real question is where do you start from. the place is riddled with nepotism and greek nationalism. if you think you can reform such an institution you are mistaken. the place needs a good clean up where all those who belong to the establishment is not just removed but brought to task.

as to a unified roc, surely you must understand it is an impossibility. if it was possible it woul dhave been discussed at some point. why wish for something that cannot happen, you are just setting yourself up for an impossibility.

As to the property issue i am afraid it is already solved. let those who wish to return to return. if there is a resident tc in the house let the echr rules apply which we have to do. first of all, there will not be that many people who wish to return and secondly the problem is in the mind of those fanatics on here and all the other forums they seem to be flooding. they seem to think that everybody wishes to return when every year that goes by they get reduced through death. in another 10 years there will be nobody entitled to return according to echr rules. and then of course you boys will turn against the echr too. what asshole charluiswines reside on this earth.

enosis ei moni leisis, is that how you say it Lordo? a unified roc, as you say, isn't that The only solution? who has the courage to defend the Universal Principals a whole generation went to war and died for, (Lest we Forget)? is it the "Greeks", is it the "Turks", who have lived and died, for Cyprus? other than what they could get out of it for themselves, who are Cypriots in this bunch? Cypriots exist, though. aren't you Cypriot?

...could not happen, no Lordo you are wrong, must happen.

[repulsewarrior]

@Lordo, and boulio, from another set of posts:

...Canada as a model may offer some insight, Quebec has not seperated yet, it has had so far two referendums, and one election based on this notion, in any case Quebecers at the polls demonstrate(d) themselves to be attached to the Universal values, Canada represents (making Canada, in effect, stronger). and when and if one day seperatists, anywhere in Canada, (because there are several movements) succeed, (the Federation that is these many parts has mechanisms), there exists a Supreme Court which is independent and credible, as well as a strong Central Government, prepared with Law in place, where within its parameters such dialog may be opened; here is democracy, and a country which is based successfully on diversity, because the People benefit from the support they give to each other, as Humans, first.

i.e. Britain, which has added a minority recently, and, with Scotland should they gain independence, it does not require the dissolution of the State to effect these changes. in the matter of Cyprus, one hopes the Justice seen does not reward a 'fait accompli' which concludes with illegal occupation, and in affect the extinction of a People close to their Land, because in "Turkish" minds, not Turkish enough.

...it would be great if Eroglu took up the challenge, to demand the creation of a Greek Constituency, so that there is an equal to his own reflections; if he dared to fly a Cypriot Flag, while he demands all Greek flags be removed from Federal Government buildings, that Greeks should represent themselves as Greeks in a National Assembly, not within the realm of the Republic, if it is Greekness they want to better; that would be bold.

[Lordo]

dont expect eroglu to do anything for peace. the gc negotiator should ask for a reasonable plan with bbf with each component having no power over the other as agreed on the joint statement. this will go over eroglu to the tcs to vote. he should have the guts to put such a plan forward at the expense of gcs voting against it. the real question is has mavroyannis or even anastiasedes got guts. i suspect not.

[boulio]

its not about each state dominating the other its that the federal govt wil have power over the states in certain areas.Do turks understand how a federation works?

[Viewpoint]

its not about each state dominating the other its that the federal govt wil have power over the states in certain areas.Do turks understand how a federation works?

Its the GCs that oppose it, you should be asking them as their aim is a unitary state where they take away our rights, they are the majority and can therefore easily dominate and manipulate the TCs as an insignificat minority.

[boulio]

its not about each state dominating the other its that the federal govt wil have power over the states in certain areas.Do turks understand how a federation works?

Its the GCs that oppose it, you should be asking them as their aim is a unitary state where they take away our rights, they are the majority and can therefore easily dominate and manipulate the TCs as an insignificat minority.

the gc oppose a turkish "federation"which always is a confederation,the two states will have there duties which each states fullfills and the federal govt will have there duties as well which the will fullfill.