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[BirKibrisli]

According to people on the ATCA forum you are a Greek Birkibrisli.Come on mate admit it, you are one of us pretending to be a Turk..)) You want ENOSIS like we all do anfd your ultimate aim is to rid Cyprus of all Turks..!!!:)))) I know it because also according to ATCA i am a paid secret agent...)))

Can you organise for me to get paid as well.I can do with some money.

[Alexios]

No no Bir..!! such jobs in Cyprus are just not given away...However i could arrange for you a job as a secret agent for the Tutsi tribe in Kenya...for details including job benefits ask atca...))))

[Eric dayi]

Hello everyone,and Eric dayi,

Kifeas is wrong to say we should not bother replying to Eric.This is what we are here for.We either smash our keyboards and vow never to post another message about Cyprus anywhere,or take every opportunity to study the minds of those who are responsible for the mess we are in.

Eric dayi exhibits all teh attributes of an ultra nationalist with chauvenistic and racist tendencies.His mind is already made up,and when he reads posts he looks for evidence to support his opinions.If he can't find them he invents them by misinterpreting things said.

Nowhere in any of my post have I ever denied being a TC.Being of Turkish background is for me like having the olive skin,the hazel eyes,and the height that I am.I am deliberately downplaying my ethnic origins and chosing to highlight our common traits as Cypriots.To eric dayi and his fellow ultranationalists (and need i say there are Cypriots of Greek background like him?)that is betraying yourself or your nationality.
(Unless you always praise your side and put down the other,you will be accused of this;it is part of the fascist ideology that comes with being an ultranationalist-u/n)

I see GCs and TCs as equal victims in this tragedy.I feel for anyone who has gone through the same pain and suffering as I have,nomatter their background.To eric dayi and his band of chauvenists this is also being a traitor.One must only blame the other side,they are the bad ones,they are evil,we are innocent victims terribly wronged (another trait of the racist u/ns)

Ultra nationalists are blind to reason or factual evidence.They only see what they want to see.No matter what scientists say about our common gene pool or the DNA,no matter how many mixed marriages they know about or can imagine,they insist on the purity of their "blood",ignoring the scientific fact that everyone's blood is exactly the same.(Suggesting that you might have mixed blood is another red rug for them,it offends their supremist tendencies.)

They justify everything they do(even murder and rape) by saying the other side is doing even worse things.For them two wrongs will make one right.They have no compassion for anyone except their own,and you are a traitor or someone to be pitied if you show any feelings for the suffering of the other side.That is a sign of weakness in their blind u/nationalistic delusions.

I can go on forever but I might save some ammunition for another occassion.Let there be no mistake about this.The solution of the Cypro will depend on the struggle between the ultra nationalists with racist and chauvenistic tendencies and Cypriot patriots with humanistic and democratic tendencies.And since the battle will take place on EU land i have no doubt as to who will emerge the victors.It is not going to be easy to fight these dinosaurs because their weapons are fear and intimidation,if not outright brute force.But the power of ideas,humanity,love,hope and compassion can not be suppressed forever.

WOW, now I done it, I’ve gone and upset Birkibrisli so much that he now labels me as a “racist”, a “ chauvinists” and a “ultra nationalist” no less. I didn’t know that telling the truth would hurt someone as much as it did Birkibrisli, he had to post his message twice to calm his nerves down.

Birkibrisli, did I invent "The short answer to "am I really a Turk" is :no.”.

Did I invent “My agenda is open.I want Cyprus to reunify in a way that will please the majority of Cypriots,be they TC or GC background.I believe this could only happen if we abandon our ethnic identities (or at least play it down) and forge a unique Cypriot nation.”

Did I invent “I believe our only chance of survival as ourselves is by abandoning the notion of Turkishness(which in practice means being falsely nationalistic and proud of a history that is no more glorifed that anybody else's history in the region).Being Turkish these days means having a siege mentality driven by a chauvenistic notion of cultural or racial supremecy.”

You know what Birkibrisli, if you and I were having a conversation one to one and I repeated what you said to others you would have a chance to call me a liar and claim that you did not say such things. But in a forum everything you write is archived and available for everyone to see.

If someone asks you if you are a Turk and you say no (as you did), then how can you claim to be a Turkish Cypriot? By denying your Turkishness you deny being a Turkish Cypriot.

When you say as above “abondon our ethnic identities” you are denying your Turkishness and therefore you cannot be a Turkish Cypriot. You are also telling the Greeks to deny their Greekness, are you not?

Do you actually know where the Turkish Cypriots originated from and why we call ourselves Turkish Cypriots?

You use the same criticism and almost the same words to describe Turks as any other Greek I have had “conversations” with. You get very upset when I criticize the Greeks and accuse me of being a racist and what not. I’ve heard all these before mate, been there, done that, bought the T-shirt and have worn it out.

Now I strongly suggest you read what you said in your previous postings and come back and tell me that I “invented” things that you never said or errrmmm…did I misunderstand your last posting as well?

Oh yes, I know, you are going to come back and tell me that I misunderstood everything because I am a “racist”, a “chauvinist” and an “ultra nationalist” and your Greeks friends like Alexis, Kifeas and the rest are of course going to agree with everything you say just because you are telling them exactly what they want to hear.

Good luck in your search to find out who you are because you certainly are, by your own admission, not a Turk so therefore cannot be a Turkish Cypriot.

[BirKibrisli]

Alexios,
I just checked out what they are saying about me on the AtCA site.
It is unbelievable.When did i say that my family abandoned me and I was adopted by a Greek family?If you are reading this,the little spies from ATCA,the truth is I was living with my father in a garden flat owned by a Greek family from Greece.Because my mother had not arrived from Cyprus,and I was totally hopeless with cooking and cleaning or washing up,the wife of the landlord took pity on me and tought me how to cook,shop,and wash whatever.I was 18 years old,and because she could see how much i missed my mother,and because she was full of compassion,she started treating me like a son,she became like a second mother to me.(Adamsaniz bunu da alip sitenize koyun da gorelim,bilgisayarimda turkche harfler olmadigi ichin yazilar boyle chikiyor,Turkchem ingilizcemden daha iyidir kuzularim, sizi chesmeye goturup susuz getiririm -If you are men copy this too on your site and let's see.Because I don't have Turkish letters on my computer-or I haven't discovered them yet-my written Turkish appears a bit funny,but my Turkish is better than my English,my little lambs).

If you can't believe that I could be a TC and not be blindly nationalistic and racist and chauvenistic,that I can have compassion for the GC refugees who have gone through the same ,pain,suffering and loss,and want a solution for Cyprus that will be fair and just and everlasting for as many people as possible,there is no hope for you.It should be me who should be ashamed to belong to a community which has you in it,but I won't stoop to your level.

[cypezokyli]

hey bir, i was also trying to instal greek...if you have an XP then turkish are already in your computer, you just need to do the necessary clicks in order to use them (i can send them to you). if not..then try to google it

[BirKibrisli]

Eric dayi wrote:

Birkibrisli, did I invent "The short answer to "am I really a Turk" is :no.”.

But I did not stop there,Eric, I went on to say that I was a Cypriot of Turkish background.You are intelligent enough to see what I was getting at.Misrepresenting what I say will not earn you browny points.It shows how desperate you are to discredit me.It shows you are less than honest.
There is no point continuing this.If after you read my post to Alexios above you still think I am not a Cypriot of Turkish background,good luck to you.You can be at peace with your delusions.But if I were you I would ponder on why I feel so threatened by some lone ranger from far away who happens to have a different view to mine on the Cyprus problem...

[Alexios]

Bir, Please forgive our friend Eric...He is on therapy.

[zan]

hey zan, are you in the UK?

as for the small kid...it is sad, ifa kid at home learns to hate tcs (or any other when it comes to that matter) . but thats were you can make a difference zan. i would say invite him, or encourage your kid to play with the gc. my stereotypes broke when i actually met tcs. it could also work for him.
if the two stay away the most probable thing happening is that your kid also creates stereotypes out of reaction. while if they meet it could be that one day they come in a position to say: you know what? how about screwing the politicians and keeping our friendship?

Yes I am in UK just outside London.

I have always encouraged my children to play with every child in their class, which I must add is predominantly, Jewish. I have come down on them like a ton of bricks if they have even uttered anything racist. Their mother is English and a wonderful woman.

You know I will never be able to get over how intelligent and educated people can be racist. The Jewish people, who are not orthodox, seem to be some of the worst. They don’t seem to have any friends that are non-Jewish, except the ones that know us, and they definitely do not have any black friends.
As for the GC boy in my sons class, my son did not hear his comment and I did not make a fuss over it. I thought that if they were going to play together then they would, and I would encourage it. They have not done so to this day.

[BirKibrisli]

hey bir, i was also trying to instal greek...if you have an XP then turkish are already in your computer, you just need to do the necessary clicks in order to use them (i can send them to you). if not..then try to google it

hello komshu,

I probably have it there (I do have XP professional)but since I came to computers late,it is taking me some time to discover everything.When I worked full time I had other people doing my computing for me.I am paying the price for being technophobic...But I'll get there.Thanks for your advice.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir, Please forgive our friend Eric...He is on therapy.

Thanks,Alexios...I am feeling better already.I think the large scotch and soda is helping.Oh,God!Now I will be accused of not being a muslim...
That offer of yours in Kenya sounds more and more interesting
Yeia mas.