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[cypezokyli]

i had to laugh so much from your reaction zan

sometimes i guess we are like kids.
which is good in certain aspects, but not in the stuborness one

[Eric dayi]

Well she started it

Doesn't she always?

[pumpernickle]

TRNC wont get recognised, although the Greater London Authority seems to be fueding constantly over the use of the flag and tourism ads. All very juvenile.

Have to say though, how thought up the design for the TRNC flag? i actually quite like it. It's like "Turkey - Light". You know, same flag, just drained of the garish red, and replaced by a white background, signifying a sapped out can of pepsi.

But then the Republics flag can claim to be quite fair. A full pic of the island in its entireity, plus two olive branches. Surely you Turks have to realise that this is quite a nice, fluffy flag.

Lets give the two flags a rating out of 10!

Republic of Cyppiee Flag - I give it 8 out of 10. It loses two marks because the Sickly Yellow on white colour scheme jars the eye after a while

TRNC flag - an equal 8 out of 10 for it's Turkey-Light theme, and the use of the Crescent which looks like a half moon, upon which you could drape a hanky and lay in it like a hammock and snooze.

zzzzzzzz

[cypezokyli]

the flag of the RoC was designed by a tc

[pumpernickle]

Turks obviously are very good at putting their hand to colour shemes.

Whatever next, Origami??

Have you read Bitter Lemons of Cyprus by Lawrence Durrell?? brilliant read. he talks alot about Turk and Greek co-operation. Good show and very British to boot.

We taught you people something after all.

[bg_turk]

In its current state the TRNC will not be recognized.

First of all it has to learn how to behave like a democratic and civilized state, i.e. it has to let give GCs with the means to apply for returning to their former homes, and its government must completely detach itself from Turkey, thank god Talat is working in that direction. If these things happen then we might talk about recognition.

Now the the TRNC is simply not toing to be recognized by anybody.

Republiks Srpksa,a state based on ethnic cleansing of muslims, sought recognition too, but it was never granted recognition and is now a component state of Bosnia. The TRNC will not be granted recognitoin either, if it fails to address its own history and the unfair treatment of GC refugees.

My vision for the future of Cyprus is that of two seperate democratic state which respect the rights of their respective minorities, but in its current form the TRNC is yet not fit for recognition.

[BirKibrisli]

In its current state the TRNC will not be recognized.

First of all it has to learn how to behave like a democratic and civilized state, i.e. it has to let give GCs with the means to apply for returning to their former homes, and its government must completely detach itself from Turkey, thank god Talat is working in that direction. If these things happen then we might talk about recognition.

Now the the TRNC is simply not toing to be recognized by anybody.

Republiks Srpksa,a state based on ethnic cleansing of muslims, sought recognition too, but it was never granted recognition and is now a component state of Bosnia. The TRNC will not be granted recognitoin either, if it fails to address its own history and the unfair treatment of GC refugees.

My vision for the future of Cyprus is that of two seperate democratic state which respect the rights of their respective minorities, but in its current form the TRNC is yet not fit for recognition.

Selam,bg_turk,

For the TRNC to deserve recognition they need to do more than respect the rights of the minorities.They have to learn to govern themselves,protect their borders,have a viable economy based on real industry and commerce or farming or whatever,be nobody's dumping ground of surplus migrants,and be able to provide their citizens with basics like electricity,water,shelter,functioning health system,enough roads for their cars etc etc.How on earth will they manage to do all that while they are spoon fed by Turkey and have 40,000 Turkish soldiers on their land telling them when to breath, when to cough,when and how to open their border gates,when and how to vote???

[zan]

Birkibrisli

You keep having a go at Turkey for helping the Turks in the north, why?

They saved us from slaughter. They gave us money when they could ill afford it. They are still giving us money and paving the way for investment. They saved us from being starved out by the embargoes. They have signed contracts to lay pipelines for water, gas and electricity. They are negotiating on our behalf with nations that will not even acknowledge that we exist. They offer us protection.

You always ask for people to look for the positive things in Cyprus while at the same time picking out all the negative things about Turkey, why?

Where is your faith in humanity when it comes to the Turks or are they the ogres that Source keeps saying we are.

Every one and I mean every one has an agenda. Why is it that you are doing what Source does, but in a more subtle way.

I feel embarrassed to ask you this my friend but, are you really a Turk?

[bg_turk]

Selam,bg_turk,

For the TRNC to deserve recognition they need to do more than respect the rights of the minorities.They have to learn to govern themselves,protect their borders,have a viable economy based on real industry and commerce or farming or whatever,be nobody's dumping ground of surplus migrants,and be able to provide their citizens with basics like electricity,water,shelter,functioning health system,enough roads for their cars etc etc.How on earth will they manage to do all that while they are spoon fed by Turkey and have 40,000 Turkish soldiers on their land telling them when to breath, when to cough,when and how to open their border gates,when and how to vote???

Birkibrisli,

so you trust the RoC to become a viable, fair and a democratic state, but you do not believe the TRNC is capable of that?

[BirKibrisli]

Please don't be embarrassed,Zan.You can ask me anything you want.
The short answer to "am I really a Turk" is :no.I am a Cypriot of Turkish background.Both my parents were born in Cyprus to TC parents,though no doubt,given that I am from Paphos,there would certainly be some mixed blood down the line.

I don't have a hidden agenda,as far as I can tell.
My agenda is open.I want Cyprus to reunify in a way that will please the majority of Cypriots,be they TC or GC background.I believe this could only happen if we abandon our ethnic identities (or at least play it down) and forge a unique Cypriot nation.
To this end I will not hesitate to point out what I see(as a reasonably intelligent and sensitive human being) as obstacles to this course.
The number one obstacle is the presence of Turkish soldiers,and the existance of the TRNC.I said elsewhere that I think Turkey's intervention in 1974 was justified and lawful as one of the guarantors of the independence of the RoC.They should have stayed only as long as it took to get the TCs and GCs back together under the 1960 constitution,and go home reserving the fight to intervene again if something similar happened.I and most Cypriots would have been very grateful had that happened. But after all these years,and after lived more than 50 years on this earth,and having lived away from the heat of the conflict for some 35 years,I believe Turkey's interests are no longer those of the TCs.
Turkey is now following her own agenda (as they should) and using the TRNC only as a pawn,working towards the total assimilation of the TCs into the mainland culture.I believe our only chance of survival as ourselves is by abandoning the notion of Turkishness(which in practice means being falsely nationalistic and proud of a history that is no more glorifed that anybody else's history in the region).Being Turkish these days means having a siege mentality driven by a chauvenistic notion of cultural or racial supremecy.This is what I reject.I believe we can only be happy and at peace as a community if we acknowledge our essence as Cypriots,a unique culture and people who are comfortable with who they are.
In case you are wondering,I support the Turkish national team in football,I love Turkish music,I know a great deal about the Ottoman history without the false nationalistic jingoism.I love the Turkish language,have read most modern Turkish writers,and especially adore the richness of Ottoman Turkish(with all its Greek,Persian,Arabic,French,English and Balkan influences).Spiritually I am closest to Sufism with its emphasis on love,compassion and forgiveness,trust in your fellow human beings,and hope for a better world.
I hope this answers most of your questions,but please feel free to ask me whatever you like,to satisfy any other curiosity you might have about me.