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[zan]

Knowing that we would be surrounded by hostiles like yourself.......of course they are.

why hostiles?

Are you kidding me mate.....your strategy of "just keep asking why" would be great if you did not feel the need to comment.

Its because you are backwards. you are referring to an agreement that has apartheid structures, racial discrimination and inequality. Then expect those people who you are discriminating against to love you for it.

Its better if you do not comment yourself because you are just demonstrated how little you know, and come across as a ignorant racist.

Those pictures of Makarios shaking hands and smiling after the signing say nothing for what you are stating. You don't seem to understand the real world. Hiding behind ideals. There has not been much in any of your posts that has not been racist. In fact, you are hell bent on destroying a whole race of people through some false crusade disguised as democracy.

[Maximus]

Knowing that we would be surrounded by hostiles like yourself.......of course they are.

why hostiles?

Are you kidding me mate.....your strategy of "just keep asking why" would be great if you did not feel the need to comment.

Its because you are backwards. you are referring to an agreement that has apartheid structures, racial discrimination and inequality. Then expect those people who you are discriminating against to love you for it.

Its better if you do not comment yourself because you are just demonstrated how little you know, and come across as a ignorant racist.

Those pictures of Makarios shaking hands and smiling after the signing say nothing for what you are stating. You don't seem to understand the real world. Hiding behind ideals. There has not been much in any of your posts that has not been racist. In fact, you are hell bent on destroying a whole race of people through some false crusade disguised as democracy.

This is a new one, very creative and it does not make any sense what-so-ever.

[zan]

Sorry! By calling me ignorant I thought you were speaking from a position of strength

[Maximus]

Sorry! By calling me ignorant I thought you were speaking from a position of strength

[erolz66]

Its because you are backwards. you are referring to an agreement that has apartheid structures, racial discrimination and inequality.

Do you actually believe the BS you type here ?

You can argue that the 60's constitution granted too much power to the TC community given their numerical size. However to claim it was 'apartheid' and based on 'racial discrimination' and 'inequality' is just bollocks (necessary bollocks for your propaganda needs but bollocks none the less) and actually a massive insult to those who actually did live under apartheid and real racial discrimination and inequality. To try and make out that the life of GC under the 60's agreements was in anyway comparable with that of black South Africans under apartheid in SA is just the most extreme revisionist bullshit propaganda going, yet you make such claims here apparently without shame or embarrassment.

For you anything that does not deliver your maximal demands and desires is by your definition 'racist, apartheid etc etc'. The RoC within the EU, with a size of under 1 million people, has rights of veto on a whole range of issues potentially against the will of hundreds of millions of non Cypriot EU citizens, yet I do not see you condemning this as having 'apartheid structures, racial discrimination and inequality'.

What is needed for a solution is compromise on both sides. What you offer is zero compromise on your side, based on bollocks like the 60's agreements were apartheid and racist. The pursuit of maximalist desires with no regards for the TC community with which you used to share Cyprus with is what led you to the disaster that was 74. You have learnt nothing since.

[Maximus]

Its because you are backwards. you are referring to an agreement that has apartheid structures, racial discrimination and inequality.

Do you actually believe the BS you type here ?

You can argue that the 60's constitution granted too much power to the TC community given their numerical size. However to claim it was 'apartheid' and based on 'racial discrimination' and 'inequality' is just bollocks (necessary bollocks for your propaganda needs but bollocks none the less) and actually a massive insult to those who actually did live under apartheid and real racial discrimination and inequality. To try and make out that the life of GC under the 60's agreements was in anyway comparable with that of black South Africans under apartheid in SA is just the most extreme revisionist bullshit propaganda going, yet you make such claims here apparently without shame or embarrassment.

For you anything that does not deliver your maximal demands and desires is by your definition 'racist, apartheid etc etc'. The RoC within the EU, with a size of under 1 million people, has rights of veto on a whole range of issues potentially against the will of hundreds of millions of non Cypriot EU citizens, yet I do not see you condemning this as having 'apartheid structures, racial discrimination and inequality'.

What is needed for a solution is compromise on both sides. What you offer is zero compromise on your side, based on bollocks like the 60's agreements were apartheid and racist. The pursuit of maximalist desires with no regards for the TC community with which you used to share Cyprus with is what led you to the disaster that was 74. You have learnt nothing since.

So what do you want from the GC's, the 1960's agreements? Do you want a veto for your community against the GC community and a 30% share from the treasury? do you want 30% of Cyprus and a dividing line with it all being enforced by the Turkish military?

[Viewpoint]

blah blah, blah blah,

Perhaps there has not been a solution to the problem in Cyprus because perhaps, you and your side do not know how a federation works and are derogating towards a 'loose' confederacy.

Tell us all how it works, its definately not a unitary state.

A federation works with a democratically elected central government and it can have two partially self governed regions.

Whatever shape it takes, is up to us.......As two Cypriots peoples. What you are after is a rigid model that suits only you. Everyone accepts that Cyprus is a problem on its own and will not, and has not, fitted any rigid model.

but VP is saying that there cannot be any deviations from the Federal model. What I have outlined in one sentence is a BBF that works. I see it as a unitary state because of the central government, with a single international personality and a single citizenship.

But a unitary state is not a BBF please dont think for a moment you can sell it as one, people are not guliable and know your track record continuing such a charade will only not get you what you want. You have to grasp and understend the ideology of sharing this island with a partner state, I know full well this is asking to much because your ulitmate goal is something totally different and to the detrement of TCs. The federal model we have signed on for also has a single international personality and a single citizenship, so why are you flasely claiming that I am not flexible?

[erolz66]

So what do you want from the GC's, the 1960's agreements? Do you want a veto for your community against the GC community and a 30% share from the treasury? do you want 30% of Cyprus and a dividing line with it all being enforced by the Turkish military?

What I want is when GC act not as Cypriots (that includes me and my community) but as Greeks (that excludes me and my community), denying that Cyprus exists as a nation and a people, I want the same rights as them as a community and to be able to voice and exercise those rights (to determine my own future in my own homeland and not to be made a colony of a foreign power against my will) without fear of persecution and terror being used against me and my community as a means to deny me of those rights.

[Maximus]

VP

A unitary state is a state governed as one single unit in which the central government is supreme and any administrative divisions (subnational units) exercise only powers that their central government chooses to delegate. The great majority of states in the world have a unitary system of government.

This sounds like a federation.

taken straight from wikipedia, simple.

[Maximus]

So what do you want from the GC's, the 1960's agreements? Do you want a veto for your community against the GC community and a 30% share from the treasury? do you want 30% of Cyprus and a dividing line with it all being enforced by the Turkish military?

What I want is when GC act not as Cypriots (that includes me and my community) but as Greeks (that excludes me and my community), denying that Cyprus exists as a nation and a people, I want the same rights as them as a community and to be able to voice and exercise those rights (to determine my own future in my own homeland and not to be made a colony of a foreign power against my will) without fear of persecution and terror being used against me and my community as a means to deny me of those rights.

Ok, this is going to get confusing,

do you say yes or no to all those questions? we can come back to your paragraph in a moment.