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[Maximus]

eoka or eoka-b would not exist if there was no grey wolfs or tmt. there is no eoka in the present day but there is a tmt and it is integrated in to the tc's psuedo government.

[erolz66]

Come along VP ... just an incy, wincy tiny piece of criticism of TMT.... go on.

Come on Bill C ... just an incy, wincy tiny piece of criticism of EOKA .... go on. Not EOKA-B , but EOKA. People like Yiorjardis for example. You can use all the sophistry of trying to separate EOKA, from EOKA-B but individuals like Yiorjardis were brutal vicious thugs wiling to use violence and terror against innocents to gain their political aims when he was in EOKA, and still after 1960, when 'EOKA has stopped' and he was interior minister an on into the 70's and EOKA-B. Same person , pursuing the same agenda using the same brutal vicious and illegal means from the 50, through the 60 and into the 70's.

The fact is there were brutal vicious thugs in both EOKA and TMT, that are deserving of condemnation by all Cypriots, just as there were honourable honest individuals in both seeking to do nothing more than protect their communities and their communities rights. I condemn the brutal thugs of both and honour the honourable in both. You on the other hand seek to condemn all in TMT, and honour all in EOKA, but condem them when in EOKA-B. Admit it Bill C - EOKA (not eoka b) had within its rank those worthy of condemnation, just as it had those worthy of honour and just as TMT had likewise.

[erolz66]

eoka or eoka-b would not exist if there was no grey wolfs or tmt.

You mean if TC had not resisted the imposition of ENOSIS on them against their collective communal will following the end of British colonial rule then you would not have needed to terrorise and kill them.

[Maximus]

Thats rubbish,

EOKA was a national organisation of Cypriot freedom fighters.

The TMT is a Turkish resistance organisation. Its foreign to Cyprus.

[erolz66]

EOKA was a national organisation of Cypriot freedom fighters.

Yeah right and EOKA ended in 1960 when the agreements were signed. Those that drafted and sought to implement the Akritas plan, had no connection to EOKA (even though they were the same people, pursuing the same objectives using the same means). Those like Yiorjardis who from the 60 onwards, from his position as Interior Minister of a government claiming to legitimately represent all Cypriots, who set up and ran ethnic based illegal death squads that took and murdered entirely innocent people because they happened to be TC and those in such groups, are all nothing to do with EOKA, even though they were the same people pursuing the same agenda using the same means. Yeah right.

How old are you Maximus ? 12 ? 13 ?

[Maximus]

EOKA was a national organisation of Cypriot freedom fighters.

Yeah right and EOKA ended in 1960 when the agreements were signed. Those that drafted and sought to implement the Akritas plan, had no connection to EOKA (even though they were the same people, pursuing the same objectives using the same means). Those like Yiorjardis who from the 60 onwards, from his position as Interior Minister of a government claiming to legitimately represent all Cypriots, who set up and ran ethnic based illegal death squads that took and murdered entirely innocent people because they happened to be TC and those in such groups, are all nothing to do with EOKA, even though they were the same people pursuing the same agenda using the same means. Yeah right.

How old are you Maximus ? 12 ? 13 ?

basically, the Turkish resistance organisation attacked the GC's while they where fighting the british for enosis. They were then blackmailed to accept a feted independence with an apartheid constitution which shackled them to some ex-ottomans. These ex-ottomans that remained behind and who were not deported by the British after the collapse of the ottoman empire may otherwise be known as the TC's who enjoy protection' from Turkey. I'm telling you, the TMT is foreign and its aims were taksim. To take and steal a portion of Cyprus through war crimes and declare an independent Turkish republic. The idea of Enosis was not a violent movement towards the tc's, they involved themselves..

[B25]

The stupid Turks have missed out big time by allowing those 5000 faithfuls over there. They could have charge them 50 euros a piece and paid for all the trash to be collected in its streets. The GCs being even more stupid woukd have paid too!
These people go over there under licence from the illegal occupation regime giving credence to the pseudo authorities, whilst at the same time Turkey has made visa application by the traitor GCs even harder to get, as the now have to denounce the RoC to get into that shit hole. We deserve everything we get. As one cypriot put it to me, we Cypriots are a skato ratsa, and he was not wrong.

[Flying Horse]

B25, what do you mean by Turkey making visa applications harder to get by GCs?

[erolz66]

The idea of Enosis was not a violent movement towards the tc's, they involved themselves..

You are consistent Maximus, I will give you that. GC had every right and indeed a duty to resist and seek to end British Colonial rule in Cyprus, including using such honourable and peaceful means as shooting in the back the pregnant wives of British servicemen. TC on the other hand, by seeking to resist the replacement of British colonial rule in Cyprus with that of Greek colonial rule in their own shared homeland against and with no consideration for their communal will, were just vicious terrorists and would be thieves. I understand your view, that Cyprus belongs to GC and GC alone and that TC are just 'ex invaders' who should have been deported and had and should have no rights or say over their countries future what so ever. You are sadly not the only GC who holds such a view, not back in 1950 and not now. However if you think such a perspective is in any way compatible with finding a 'just settlement' for the Cyprus in the future then I am afraid you are wrong.

[B25]

B25, what do you mean by Turkey making visa applications harder to get by GCs?

Where as a gc could go to Turkey, f knows why he would want to do that, he could get a visa at the airport, now you have to apply on line, state that your country is the, wait for it, 'Greek cyoriot administration of south Cyprus', FFS instead of the RoC. They have removed the RoC from their list of states that require visa and replaced it with the above.
This applies to anyone with a RoC passport. I wonder if the TC are subject to the same.

And these are the same pigs we are supposedly talking to to find a 'Just Settlement' someone is taking the piss me thinks.