Viewpoint wrote:Demonax wrote:Viewpoint wrote:
The İssac and Soloman incidents although regrettable happened in a war zone where there was mayhem and danger, Talat was just attending a meeting as your guest, totally 2 different things.
You're right. Completely different. Two Greek Cypriot men were killed by a savage mob of Turkish officials and extremists. Then their murderers were praised as heroes and given senior jobs in the occupation administration. No- one has been brought to justice for the crimes even though the murderers are well-known.
In the case of Talat, a group of protestors broke a window. No- one was hurt. The next day the police chief was sacked for allowing the protesters to disrupt the meeting.
The two cases are vastly different.The guarantors should decide whether intervention is necessary not the waring factions, all they can do is ask for help.
You're confusing the 'right of guarantee' with a law and order issue. The treaty of guarantee was designed to protect the sovereignty of the Republic. Something which Turkey violated and blatantly abused.
The best guarantee for Turkish Cypriots is that they commit to a just settlement which reverses the occupation. Anything else would lead to bitterness and instability.
So we agree they were two totally different cases one where one was in the middle of riots and fighting and the other in a "peaceful" european city as a guest of the GCs.
As for the guarantee being just about soverignty I think erolz has cleared up that misconception and that it was to restore a working structure which to date we have still not agreed.
...what makes the two cases different is that in one there is murder and mayhem, and in the other there is not. once again, the mob were people, plain ordinary people, indeed, but take a closer look, whose acts were Criminal?
you, you, should take a cold hard look at "yourselves" with that superior holier than thou, i am afraid, read the fine print, hypocrisy, and remember, that in one case, the lack of discipline led to a melee where soldiers fired uncontrolled on UN Observers, school children, and women, and in the other, the President sends the clear signal, an immediate dismissal of the Police Chief; you should be afraid of the regime's failings, not the GC, as you call them, you site an excellent example of it, utterly corrupted, "they" don't change, your regime remains not more than a servant slave, impotent toward improving itself, it seems unwilling to, Ignorant therefore, a subject to outside forces, and in denial. clearly in "your" case, the threat (to there being a Turkish Cypriot identity) is from within, not a mythical entity, call them "Greeks", never mind Kurupopatou and the elamite singers no better than "Turks" they emulate (a warm-up band for the Grey Wolves), you forget (read: ignore), it seems, that very few of us are "Greeks", i get the impression you like to imagine Greeks as "Greeks", yet, since you are Turkish, given these observations on the choices we can make, do you want to be a "Turk", is it all you want to be, vp? if you are Cypriot it does not matter if you are of any ethnic origin, Cyprus comes first.
...i suggest that once again, brave men, the few, will raise a flag for Cyprus, and above this present debate, (a 'war zone' of two flags) a movement will form so that the Cypriot Flag flies higher. it takes an intention where there can exist self-representation as Cypriot Constituencies, and, as Persons equality, Liberty, the distinctiveness of National identities. a Greek Constituency must exist (and i think, so too, a Maronite, Latin, etc.), and because we are no different, equal in defending our Freedom, we should choose to defend each other, in one State, beyond the National Constituency, where as a Republic, as a Citizen, as an Individual, we can demonstrate the Universal Principals on which as a People we govern, for Cyprus, and for their betterment. For strong Constituencies to exist, a strong Republic must exist, nothing beats the Rule of Law, wouldn't you agree?
