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[Maximus]

People should also be gven the opportunity to opt for a cash payment or alternative available property ie exchanged TC land, if there is a desire to solve this issue im sure it can be solved overnight.

More or less we agree on the matter of properties. Does your leadership agree?
They did not even accept to discuss it yet as to my knowledge.

This is ok too so long as the original owners property rights and legal title are reinstated first, so they can negotiate from a position of having it in their possession. To be fair, this is no ones business but the property owners and if s/he wants cash, s/he will sell it to get cash.

The owner never lost his legal rights on the first place Maximus. Even the Committee at the occupied recognizes those rights.Something similar happened in East Germany, I mean people presumably "lost" their properties and 70 YEARS later after USSR collapsed they got them back.
A kibrisli and a kypreos living on other peoples properties can be excused by law, on grounds of necessity. After a solution those excuses go away but at the same time the rights of a tenant paying rent come in. If you own the house a tenant is living in, you can't sell it, you can't throw him out, all you can do is take rent or come into some direct agreement with him.
We don't want to solve the Cyprob and have thousands living in the streets do we?

That was one of the major flaws of the Anan plan, the fact that it took those rights from the owners and in essense stole their properties giving them for free to others. That will never happen again.

No, I do not think anyone imagines or wants a humanitarian crisis in Cyprus because of the settlers or have them living in the streets. They can pay rent and taxes temporarily.

There can be a transitional period, the gas is estimated to come online by 2018 and the economy is probably going to be pants until then. This date can be used as a way marker for the end of the 'transitional period'. Their numbers may have dwindled significantly by then by not having their work permit renewed or simply not being able to find work and being able to afford to continue living in Cyprus.

This also paves the way for a potential cooperation to build a pipeline with Turkey. Or even ship it to them by LNG.

[Pyrpolizer]

i think that this is why property ,settler and territory chapters are so intertwind.The more territory given back the less property issues the less settlers and illegals the less the tc "need to keep in there region to be viable".

Correct.
But I am afraid without hydrocarbons we will never be able to sustain the BBF system economically. It is way too costly and the Kibrislis will feel that more than the Kypreoi.

Nevertheless we need it for at least 20 years until trust is built and we all come to get first hand knowledge of the merits of the other community and feel like we are all Cypriots with those collective merits, and be proud of it.
We need a period of normalizing things. I won't be surprised if during that period Elam guys join forces with Grey wolves in campaigning against the EU Communals who "steal" our jobs...

[Viewpoint]

I totally agree a transition period is necessary for people to build trust understanding and knowledge necessary to build a united Cyprus where a mixed team can represent Cyprus and a GC is not sent to the Eurovision every time....just a few simple examples that will reflect that we have developed using the cross island cultural wealth of this island and not the racist mentality of the past.

[Maximus]

i think that this is why property ,settler and territory chapters are so intertwind.The more territory given back the less property issues the less settlers and illegals the less the tc "need to keep in there region to be viable".

Correct.
But I am afraid without hydrocarbons we will never be able to sustain the BBF system economically. It is way too costly and the Kibrislis will feel that more than the Kypreoi.

Nevertheless we need it for at least 20 years until trust is built and we all come to get first hand knowledge of the merits of the other community and feel like we are all Cypriots with those collective merits, and be proud of it.
We need a period of normalizing things. I won't be surprised if during that period Elam guys join forces with Grey wolves in campaigning against the EU Communals who "steal" our jobs...

I am in favor of a transitional period, under the status quo, and as the Turkish army gradually leave they leave a democratic unitary state behind them. Say 5 years.

[Maximus]

. After a solution those excuses go away but at the same time the rights of a tenant paying rent come in. If you own the house a tenant is living in, you can't sell it, you can't throw him out, all you can do is take rent or come into some direct agreement with him.

You can sell it with a tenet. My previous landlord sold the property I was renting from him. He had to come to an agreement with me first but he sold the property with a tenant. The new landlord wanted an investment property and obligated himself to my existing tenancy agreement and gained my monthly rent.

The landlord can give me notice if he wants me to vacate the property when the tenancy agreement expires. It depends on the terms of the tenancy agreement, but in the case of the settlers, they do not have one. so one will have to be created with the original owner.

[Pyrpolizer]

. After a solution those excuses go away but at the same time the rights of a tenant paying rent come in. If you own the house a tenant is living in, you can't sell it, you can't throw him out, all you can do is take rent or come into some direct agreement with him.

You can sell it with a tenet. My previous landlord sold the property I was renting from him. He had to come to an agreement with me first but he sold the property with a tenant. The new landlord wanted an investment property and obligated himself to my existing tenancy agreement and gained my monthly rent.

The landlord can give me notice if he wants me to vacate the property when the tenancy agreement expires. It depends on the terms of the tenancy agreement, but in the case of the settlers, they do not have one. so one will have to be created with the original owner.

ok

[Pyrpolizer]

I totally agree a transition period is necessary for people to build trust understanding and knowledge necessary to build a united Cyprus where a mixed team can represent Cyprus and a GC is not sent to the Eurovision every time....just a few simple examples that will reflect that we have developed using the cross island cultural wealth of this island and not the racist mentality of the past.

I see . You want the Kibrislis to get ridiculed too. Problem yok.

[Lordo]

problem cok pyrouimmu

you is being confused again swinery everywhere. you must be living in your own world. where is it.