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They can have temp work permits to cover a transitional period, start paying rent to the original owner and they are not entitled to any voting rights.

Property, citizenship, residency and voting rights for settlers chapters closed.

If VP wants a cut off time frame for the settlers, how about from 1974 when you started violating the 4th Geneva Convention, you know, committed a war crime. That would sound about right, don't you think. Married to TCs, then the TCs can go back with them, what's the problem???

[Maximus]

They can have temp work permits to cover a transitional period, start paying rent to the original owner and they are not entitled to any voting rights.

Property, citizenship, residency and voting rights for settlers chapters closed.

If VP wants a cut off time frame for the settlers, how about from 1974 when you started violating the 4th Geneva Convention, you know, committed a war crime. That would sound about right, don't you think. Married to TCs, then the TCs can go back with them, what's the problem???

Exactly,

TC's married to Turkish nationals that settled in Cyprus post 1974 can also do they same if they have issues with security too. Go back with them to Turkey.

[Pyrpolizer]

Who are all these far eastern people we see down Ledra Street, there are more of them than you peopl, where do they work, we are talking 50,000 to 100.000 people here they can easily be absorbed all over the island once a solution is found. Your being very optimistic about us taking the lead and taking measures to send anyone back.

Please, don't mess one issue with another. There are statistics about those people I am too bored to go search about it, I posted them once in the past.These are Sri-Lankan Pakistanis Indians Philippinos etc working mostly as housemaids. Probably 20K all around Cyprus.Their number is constantly decreasing because after their visa expires the Govnt doesn't issue visas for new ones easily. They tell you go hire a EU communal. And how are those Sri Lamkans by any measure comparable to settlers? They are just foreign labour staying on a visa.

I agree that people who were given TRNC citizenship lets after the 2000 should be revoked and turned in to residency/work permits so the authorities can decide if they stay or go.

Well it depends. On 2004 their numbers were double than the real Kibrislis. in 2004 the number of votes from your side was about 30% of the total. I don't think by 2000 it was much different. This is a definite change of demographics. Which GC would ever accept it?
As soon as they hear of any solution that the number of Kibrislis+settlers is 30% of their own they will reject it immediately.
In fact Papadopoulos ended his tears speech with the following words "You do not deserve to have so many settlers"

The right to property being used in its original state by people on both sides should start to pay rent to the orignal owner and the tenant can be given notice to find alternative accommodation if the property owner wishes to take this route. People should also be gven the opportunity to opt for a cash payment or alternative available property ie exchanged TC land, if there is a desire to solve this issue im sure it can be solved overnight.

More or less we agree on the matter of properties. Does your leadership agree?
They did not even accept to discuss it yet as to my knowledge.

[Pyrpolizer]

Because I believe in constructive discussion I have to admit I was wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_An ... dums,_2004
Not it wasn't 30% it was 22.5%. Still some boosting of the demographics but not that much.

Therefore VP, yes your suggestion about setting the line at the year 2000 might be a good one.

I think we moved one step further in solving the Cyprob at least between ourselves.

[Maximus]

People should also be gven the opportunity to opt for a cash payment or alternative available property ie exchanged TC land, if there is a desire to solve this issue im sure it can be solved overnight.

More or less we agree on the matter of properties. Does your leadership agree?
They did not even accept to discuss it yet as to my knowledge.

This is ok too so long as the original owners property rights and legal title are reinstated first, so they can negotiate from a position of having it in their possession. To be fair, this is no ones business but the property owners and if s/he wants cash, s/he will sell it to get cash.

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Pyrpolizer

Please, don't mess one issue with another. There are statistics about those people I am too bored to go search about it, I posted them once in the past.These are Sri-Lankan Pakistanis Indians Philippinos etc working mostly as housemaids. Probably 20K all around Cyprus.Their number is constantly decreasing because after their visa expires the Govnt doesn't issue visas for new ones easily. They tell you go hire a EU communal. And how are those Sri Lamkans by any measure comparable to settlers? They are just foreign labour staying on a visa.

I think you have gotten the wrong end of the stick, Im high lighting the numbers of these foreign workers in order to illustrate the potential jobs that are currently available and will be created if a solution is found by tourism in the north. Nothing to do with voting rights. So the analogy that TCs will leave is not really a valid one.

Not it wasn't 30% it was 22.5%. Still some boosting of the demographics but not that much.

Therefore VP, yes your suggestion about setting the line at the year 2000 might be a good one.

I think we moved one step further in solving the Cyprob at least between ourselves.

Thank you I dont feel the numbers will create the problems you envisage, Gcs should avoid getting wrapped up in the proganda churned out by extremists.

More or less we agree on the matter of properties. Does your leadership agree?
They did not even accept to discuss it yet as to my knowledge.

Good to hear you are starting to understand that we are trying to find middle ground and yes we have heard today that progress has been made on property issues.

[boulio]

i think that this is why property ,settler and territory chapters are so intertwind.The more territory given back the less property issues the less settlers and illegals the less the tc "need to keep in there region to be viable".

[Maximus]

i think that this is why property ,settler and territory chapters are so intertwind.The more territory given back the less property issues the less settlers and illegals the less the tc "need to keep in there region to be viable".

The territory is Cyprus, plus her EEZ. I propose giving the TC's 100% without any zones.

[Pyrpolizer]

People should also be gven the opportunity to opt for a cash payment or alternative available property ie exchanged TC land, if there is a desire to solve this issue im sure it can be solved overnight.

More or less we agree on the matter of properties. Does your leadership agree?
They did not even accept to discuss it yet as to my knowledge.

This is ok too so long as the original owners property rights and legal title are reinstated first, so they can negotiate from a position of having it in their possession. To be fair, this is no ones business but the property owners and if s/he wants cash, s/he will sell it to get cash.

The owner never lost his legal rights on the first place Maximus. Even the Committee at the occupied recognizes those rights.Something similar happened in East Germany, I mean people presumably "lost" their properties and 70 YEARS later after USSR collapsed they got them back.
A kibrisli and a kypreos living on other peoples properties can be excused by law, on grounds of necessity. After a solution those excuses go away but at the same time the rights of a tenant paying rent come in. If you own the house a tenant is living in, you can't sell it, you can't throw him out, all you can do is take rent or come into some direct agreement with him.
We don't want to solve the Cyprob and have thousands living in the streets do we?

That was one of the major flaws of the Anan plan, the fact that it took those rights from the owners and in essense stole their properties giving them for free to others. That will never happen again.

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Pyro some people will still have to accept compensation or alternative property as their land has been developed far greater than its orignal and current value.