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[sadik]

According to the news coming from the AKEL congress, some people actually suggested AKEL nominate an AKEL member for the presidency for the first time in its history. If AKEL does this they will most probably nominate Christofias. Can AKEL win with its own candidate and, if they win, what would this mean for a solution in Cyprus?

[cypezokyli]

i am not sure that cristofias would make a difference sadik. akel never had the guts to nominate its own candidate. it has a kind of history which has shown fear of taking responsibility.

ofcource he has a chance against papadopoulos. it is the biggest party in cyprus.

the problem is that it is a party of uninamity rule!!! it is amazing how people can disagree on the cyprus problem and stay in the same party. so in order to stay disciplined on the party line they forget the diferences they have on the cyprus solution.

moreover akel supports papadopoulos. it has never said that it disagrees on anything concerning the cyprus problem. it partly disagrees with diko and edek but they dont abandon the goverment...for obvious reasons.

even though some yes supporters did perform well in the akel elections on the weekend, i am not realy sure if it means actually anything.

i am not really sure what to hope for...a strong akel that can go to elections with its own candidate or a weak akel which would realise how this cooperation is harming itself..

[Piratis]

Christophias can not be elected. He was very little chances and they will not risk it.

AKEL and DISY have around 1/3rd of the voters each. Most of the other 1/3rd is in between (center), and the 17% of DIKO is in control.

If Christophias is candidate, then DISY will propose somebody from the center-right as candidate, give to DIKO several ministries and thats the end of story.

There are only 2 ways that Christofias can be elected:

1) If there is an agreement already between DIKO-AKEL-EDEK, something that I doubt

2) If DISY acts in a really stupid and greedy way and they have as a candidate somebody like Anastasiades.

My opinion is that AKEL will not risk. The next president will be either Papadopoulos, or somebody else from the center/center-left if Papadopoulos is not a candidate.

[Piratis]

i am not really sure what to hope for...a strong akel that can go to elections with its own candidate or a weak akel which would realise how this cooperation is harming itself..

What exactly do you mean? How is this cooperation harming AKEL?

AKEL will get less in this elections because of their choice in the referendum. However if their choice was to support "yes", then they would have lost a lot more since 75% of AKEL supporters were against the Annan plan.

[ELLAS H TEFRA!]

Ha ha ha..getting elected president and leading AKEL at the same time is like commiting suicide because the people willing to shoot him will be lining up..!

[cypezokyli]

has everybody excluded the possibility of a cooperation between akel and dysi?

[sadik]

i am not really sure what to hope for...a strong akel that can go to elections with its own candidate or a weak akel which would realise how this cooperation is harming itself..

What exactly do you mean? How is this cooperation harming AKEL?

AKEL will get less in this elections because of their choice in the referendum. However if their choice was to support "yes", then they would have lost a lot more since 75% of AKEL supporters were against the Annan plan.

But 80% of DISI voters were against the plan and DISI still went ahead. It doesn't look like they will loose 80% of their votes.

"No to cement yes." is the most ridicilous thing I've ever heard in politics. They did not give a straight answer to probably the most critical question they've ever faced. In the name of showing leadership, parties can risk loosing some votes in the immediate elections for the long term gains. What is a party good for if it cannot take risks and responsibility and show leadership.

[cypezokyli]

as i was saying sadik...fear of responsibility. thats why it keeps its voting power so high.
the party is above all, even above cyprus.
u know once i wrote an email to one of them(high ranking), saying how can you be in the same party with which you disagree on the cyprus problem? and if you agree with dysi on the most important question , that is: the cyprus problem what devides you? communism (haha)? or grivas (who died more than 30 years ago)?
do you know what his reply was?
thank you my friend. honestly thank you.
thats all he answered.
the only way that these cooperation can brake down is not the cyprus problem , but the division of rousfeti (as it already appears today between akel and an edek minister.

[Piratis]

But 80% of DISI voters were against the plan and DISI still went ahead. It doesn't look like they will loose 80% of their votes.

No, and I didn't say that AKEL would loose 75%. What I said is that AKEL would have lost more than it will loose now if it had supported "yes". This is why in next elections DISY will loose more than AKEL did.

Why those people will still vote for DISY even if they disagreed about the Annan plan? Because the majority of the DISY voters don't vote based on the position of the party on the Cyprus problem, but the amount of "rusfetti" they receive. DISY, along with DIKO are the number one parties in rusfetti.

and if you agree with dysi on the most important question , that is: the cyprus problem what devides you?

Everything else. Even in the Cyprus problem case the position of DISY is different than the one of AKEL.

AKEL supports unity (with some more compromises than DIKO-EDEK are willing to make).

DISY supports what has been agreed between the junta of Athens and Turkey back in the 70s which is to split Cyprus into 2 parts. This is of course not something they announce, but can be seen from their actions back then (they supported the coup) and today (they supported the Annan partition plan). Did you know that Anastasiades had proposed the Greek flag as the official flag of the GC component state?

[Piratis]

About AKEL, I agree that they didn't have the guts to take a clear decision. This "yes and no" and "no to cement yes" crap was done obviously because they knew that they would loose either way and they were trying to loose the least possible from their power.