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[Get Real!]

Both my sons have Macs, they persuaded me. I get the impression that the Mac is better built and will last longer. The battery seems to run it for ages, possibly because it does not get hot and doesn't need a fan.

So what's the learning curve like when switching from Win to Mac?

[Jerry]

Both my sons have Macs, they persuaded me. I get the impression that the Mac is better built and will last longer. The battery seems to run it for ages, possibly because it does not get hot and doesn't need a fan.

So what's the learning curve like when switching from Win to Mac?

Old farts like me take a long time to learn new tricks but Mac logic seems more "logical" to me than bastard Windows 8, I was honestly pulling my hair out with it. I envisaged myself jumping up and down on the Lenovo in the store if they refused a refund. I have only ever used a limited range of functions on PCs, my sons tell me I will find more uses for the Mac than I did before. Anyone who is thinking of taking on Windows 8 would be well advised to read up on user reviews first. My opinion is it's for geeks, it's a poor attempt to combine tablet with PC systems.

[Sotos]

My desktop was 8 years old and knackered like me so I treated myself to a new Lenovo cost £600 with Windows 8.1 'cos 8.0 was crap I was told. WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH. The machine was ok but 8.1 is awful, a huge change from the previous systems I had used. I took it back after 2 days, got a refund and bought a MacBook Pro, I wish I had bought a Mac years ago. I was told in the store (John Lewis) that others had bought Macs rather than have to suffer Windows 8.

Thanks for the info GR, some people I know use XP.

What a shame... Lenovo is the best brand... you could've replaced Win 8 with Win 7 because Lenovo has drivers for all windows versions even XP!

Both my sons have Macs, they persuaded me. I get the impression that the Mac is better built and will last longer. The battery seems to run it for ages, possibly because it does not get hot and doesn't need a fan.

Probably it will last less, since one of the first things to go bad in a laptop is the battery and the MacBook Pro doesn't have a replaceable battery. But until that happens it will probably be obsolete anyways. The build quality of the MacBook Pro is obviously better than the Lenovo you bought... but you are comparing apples and oranges since the price of the Mac is twice as much For several years now the Mac OS is Unix based and probably better than Windows. If you are willing to spend over €1000 for a laptop then a Mac is definitely a good option. What I would never buy is a desktop Mac... the iMac is an "all in one" which i find ridiculous. Personally I build my desktop PCs myself from parts I order. This way I can upgrade and fix my PC if anything happens without the need to send it to a technician. Obviously 99% of the people wouldn't do such thing... but those 99% of the people will also have some strangers snooping around in their private data whenever their computer is send to be fixed!

[Get Real!]

... but those 99% of the people will also have some strangers snooping around in their private data whenever their computer is send to be fixed!

Sotos, techies don’t have the time to go through customer’s data and to be quite honest I can’t imagine why they would be interested!

I for one couldn’t care less about people’s files and the only time I go into their folder is if I have to transfer its contents to temporary storage in very rare severe cases when Windows can’t be fixed and has to be re-installed.

Imagine the pain if you have to transfer their data twice over and it’s like 100Gb or more!!! Those are the worst jobs!

Some people are prolific photo takers… photos here, photos there… they just can’t stop snapping, or the other bad type… the movie downloaders who must have a copy of every latest movie on their hard disk! They fucking annoy me because you have to spend 3-4 hours just for the data transfer!

Oh and I forgot about the music lovers who think they should transfer u-tube to their HD and I’m like… leave it on fucking u-tube… you don’t have to store everything on your HD… let them store it on theirs, that’s what they’re there for!

Bloody hell!

Just felt like giving you the other side of the coin!

[Jerry]

My desktop was 8 years old and knackered like me so I treated myself to a new Lenovo cost £600 with Windows 8.1 'cos 8.0 was crap I was told. WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH. The machine was ok but 8.1 is awful, a huge change from the previous systems I had used. I took it back after 2 days, got a refund and bought a MacBook Pro, I wish I had bought a Mac years ago. I was told in the store (John Lewis) that others had bought Macs rather than have to suffer Windows 8.

Thanks for the info GR, some people I know use XP.

What a shame... Lenovo is the best brand... you could've replaced Win 8 with Win 7 because Lenovo has drivers for all windows versions even XP!

Both my sons have Macs, they persuaded me. I get the impression that the Mac is better built and will last longer. The battery seems to run it for ages, possibly because it does not get hot and doesn't need a fan.

Probably it will last less, since one of the first things to go bad in a laptop is the battery and the MacBook Pro doesn't have a replaceable battery. But until that happens it will probably be obsolete anyways. The build quality of the MacBook Pro is obviously better than the Lenovo you bought... but you are comparing apples and oranges since the price of the Mac is twice as much For several years now the Mac OS is Unix based and probably better than Windows. If you are willing to spend over €1000 for a laptop then a Mac is definitely a good option. What I would never buy is a desktop Mac... the iMac is an "all in one" which i find ridiculous. Personally I build my desktop PCs myself from parts I order. This way I can upgrade and fix my PC if anything happens without the need to send it to a technician. Obviously 99% of the people wouldn't do such thing... but those 99% of the people will also have some strangers snooping around in their private data whenever their computer is send to be fixed!

Thanks for that Sotos. Surely the battery is a component of the Mac and like any other can be replaced, if the battery failed under guarantee they would have to replace it. John Lewis gave me a three year guarantee.

[Sotos]

So GR, imagine you had an 18 year old daughter who lived in another country and her PC broke down... would you trust it to another technician to fix her PC? Think about it... That person could see all her videos and photos on her hard drive... maybe some personal XXX ones? If she is using an email client on her computer he could go through her email which maybe contains sensitive info such as passwords to various services. Her browser could contain cookies that could allow him to auto-login on some of the websites she is using. Those that know how don't need much time to find the sensitive info... and that is just what the curious type would do... but every once in a while you might even fall on some malicious one ... and lets not even talk about what that one could do!

[Sotos]

My desktop was 8 years old and knackered like me so I treated myself to a new Lenovo cost £600 with Windows 8.1 'cos 8.0 was crap I was told. WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH. The machine was ok but 8.1 is awful, a huge change from the previous systems I had used. I took it back after 2 days, got a refund and bought a MacBook Pro, I wish I had bought a Mac years ago. I was told in the store (John Lewis) that others had bought Macs rather than have to suffer Windows 8.

Thanks for the info GR, some people I know use XP.

What a shame... Lenovo is the best brand... you could've replaced Win 8 with Win 7 because Lenovo has drivers for all windows versions even XP!

Both my sons have Macs, they persuaded me. I get the impression that the Mac is better built and will last longer. The battery seems to run it for ages, possibly because it does not get hot and doesn't need a fan.

Probably it will last less, since one of the first things to go bad in a laptop is the battery and the MacBook Pro doesn't have a replaceable battery. But until that happens it will probably be obsolete anyways. The build quality of the MacBook Pro is obviously better than the Lenovo you bought... but you are comparing apples and oranges since the price of the Mac is twice as much For several years now the Mac OS is Unix based and probably better than Windows. If you are willing to spend over €1000 for a laptop then a Mac is definitely a good option. What I would never buy is a desktop Mac... the iMac is an "all in one" which i find ridiculous. Personally I build my desktop PCs myself from parts I order. This way I can upgrade and fix my PC if anything happens without the need to send it to a technician. Obviously 99% of the people wouldn't do such thing... but those 99% of the people will also have some strangers snooping around in their private data whenever their computer is send to be fixed!

Thanks for that Sotos. Surely the battery is a component of the Mac and like any other can be replaced, if the battery failed under guarantee they would have to replace it. John Lewis gave me a three year guarantee.

Unfortunately it is not "like any other". See here: http://mashable.com/2013/10/25/macbook- ... -teardown/ . Not even the hard drive or memory is user replaceable or up-gradable in the newest models. I don't know who "John Lewis" is, but assuming his guarantee is equivalent to Apple's own guarantee then you are OK for 3 years. After that any fix will probably be a very expensive one, so if your Mac breaks after 3 years you will probably be better off buying a new computer.

[boomerang]

i have ipads, 4 and mini, galaxy note 10.1, galaxy TAB 3 10.1, acer running windows home, and numerous laptops...ditched the lot and got a surface pro running win 8.1 prom discounted at AUS$600 and best thing since slice bread...great product...

Jerry win 8.1 basically is the same as win 7 with tiles...the major difference is the graphical interface...it runs the same as any win 7 or XP machine...i understand it might take a little getting used to for not computer savvy people...for me there was no problem in getting used to it from the first time i turned it on...

As far as apple products, i need a computer that i do the thinking and not apple telling me how things should work...

[Sotos]

Problem with Win 8 is that it is more fitting for tablets than PCs... so it might be good on your Surface because it is a tablet! I tried 8 for a few weeks on a laptop and I didn't like it. As far as the surface goes ... it seems to be more of tablet/laptop hybrid than just a tablet. I think it has potential but to compete in the tablet department it needs to be lighter, with better battery life and more tablet specific apps.

[Get Real!]

Unfortunately it is not "like any other". See here: http://mashable.com/2013/10/25/macbook- ... -teardown/ . Not even the hard drive or memory is user replaceable or up-gradable in the newest models. I don't know who "John Lewis" is, but assuming his guarantee is equivalent to Apple's own guarantee then you are OK for 3 years. After that any fix will probably be a very expensive one, so if your Mac breaks after 3 years you will probably be better off buying a new computer.

Same with all tablets Sotos, everything is soldered on the MB and that’s how they are so slim. People want slim because it’s “cool” so they get one-piece irreparable junk!

Same with laptops… the slimmer the laptop the junkier it is.