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[Pyrpolizer]

a)You don't need to be an expert to read a time scale!!
b) if they ever find the black boxes who would ever care about Inmarsat data? The whole issue is to release them NOW to an independent group of experts and yes still under confidentiality terms.I beleive that's what the American woman said on the video. I think she also said that since this investigation is now a criminal one all that data should be (under US law at least) a public record.

[Paphitis]

a)You don't need to be an expert to read a time scale!!
b) if they ever find the black boxes who would ever care about Inmarsat data? The whole issue is to release them NOW to an independent group of experts and yes still under confidentiality terms.I beleive that's what the American woman said on the video. I think she also said that since this investigation is now a criminal one all that data should be (under US law at least) a public record.

As I told you before, it is not that easy to release protected data.

Independent experts have already been given access and the numbers would have been audited quite thoroughly by various agencies.

Secondly, the Malaysians will not release any information other than through the correct channels and in accordance with the Civil Aviation regulations, namely ANNEX 13 into Air Crash Reporting. They have already submitted their first preliminary report to ICAO which is in fact the United Nations and as independent as you can get.

[Pyrpolizer]

Those are formalities and you should know that.
It will not be proof of anything substantial. Most propably tons of evidence that they did investigate the matter with absolutely no results.What could anyone do to them? Ex-communicate them?

[Paphitis]

Those are formalities and you should know that.
It will not be proof of anything substantial. Most propably tons of evidence that they did investigate the matter with absolutely no results.What could anyone do to them? Ex-communicate them?

Let me tell you one thing Pyro, these rules are there for a reason and you and I just can't go around demanding things like keyboard warriors who only make things even more difficult for the IIT.

There is a process, policies and laws in place for their protection and if the Malaysians released any information prematurely it will be the worse mistake they can make. I am convinced there is no satisfying the internet brigade of so called experts, and they are just going to be a big pain in the butt, therefore, it is better for the preliminary document to be released in accordance with the correct protocols as they are for every single other accident/incident after the document is ratified and vetted by experts who know what they are talking about.

Yes ICAO is the United Nations and they can issue the Malaysian Regulator with a variety of non-conforming breaches and they can carry various fines and penalties. there may also be various safety and security breaches.

And yes, soon, everyone will be aware of all that is known about MH370, including Inmarsat data. The report will also include information related to the 4 ULB detections.

[Pyrpolizer]

Don't worry Paphitis the report will be constructed in the right protocols and in the proper way to release them as much as possible of any LEGAL liabilities. The internet brigade that includes yourself btw although you personally would be regarded as totally "safe" for them, is the last thing they should worry about. And yes probably they won't be able to avoid some penalties concerning for example the totally messy passengers list, those who were traveling on fake passports etc.I personally care less for all those things.
What I am interested fo,r and what the relatives are interested for, is primarily to get convincing answers for the fate of their loved ones and what really happened to the plane.
From the facts that we all know till now, do you have any doubt that such answers WILL NOT BE PROVIDED?

[Pyrpolizer]

For what is worth here the Singapore Air space map

[Paphitis]

Flight Information Regions are not sovereign airspace. Flight Information regions are mostly International Airspace.

The Singapore CTR is not the same as the Singapore FIR.

For example, Australia's FIR nearly takes in all of the Indian Ocean. In fact, where the search for MH370 is taking place is actually Melbourne FIR but it is not Australian Airspace.

Also, MH370 was transferred straight to HCM Center.

[Pyrpolizer]

OK,i am interested to know what your sources say about the 2nd ping emitter that presumably gave them 1 or more of those 4 sonar signals.
Does it concern an emitter from the plane itself, or something else that possibly indicates that someone was playing games with them.

[Paphitis]

OK,i am interested to know what your sources say about the 2nd ping emitter that presumably gave them 1 or more of those 4 sonar signals.
Does it concern an emitter from the plane itself, or something else that possibly indicates that someone was playing games with them.

I can tell you that there is very firm belief that the detections are credible and from 2 sources (wait and you will hear about this soon) from devices they believe to be consistent (which is all they can say) but the belief is that MH370 is in this area.

If you find anyone capable of playing games with the ADF then please let me know. It is usually the ADF that plays games with the rest. Sorry, but that may seem a little arrogant and over confident but it is not often I have experienced even the Americans to be capable enough to get through the RAAF's Orion's or get a RAN Submarine before it gets a few of their ships first. I am not joking either, just ask!

[Kikapu]

This does NOT equate with finding AF447, sorry.

They found debris and bodies and yet it still took them 2 years to discover the wreckage on the ocean floor. This just highlights the difficulties associated with finding a wreckage 4000m below the surface and MH370 is even harder.

I'm sorry Paphitis, but that is a very arrogant statement coming from you regarding AF447. Debris of AF447, including 50 bodies were found within days of the crash, which means and I'm using the metaphor the Aussies started using and kept on using throughout the search of the Southern Indian Ocean for MH370, that they were looking for the "Haystack" before they can expect to find anything else first, when the "Haystack" of AF447 was found within few days. It was only looking for the “needle in the Haystack" (Black Boxes) that took 2 years to find, whereas, as soon as 4 suspicious pings were detected, you and your PM were jumping with joy that the Black Boxes were in fact found (not), even though the "Haystack" wasn't found then and hasn't been found since the disappearance of flight MH370. That’s why using AF447 as an example to MH370 is not appropriate because they are not related up to this point what so ever. In the case of the AF447, the searchers were chasing to find the Black Boxes after the “Haystack” was established, whereas in the case of MH370, the searchers are chasing to find the phantom “Haystack”. One “Haystack” was real to look for the Black Boxes and the other is based on questionable pings and questionable information placing the MH370 in the Southern Indian Ocean or “Haystack” if you like.