Kikapu wrote:Actually you are wrong to think that if the MH370 were shot down that the Indian Ocean would be littered with debris. Only the point of in fact with the sea is where it would be littered with debris if shot down by a Jet Fighter and not by a missile. If by a missile, then of course, the crash site would be a little bit larger, but not by much. When TWA 800 Boeing 747 exploded at about 15,000 ft shortly after taking off from JFK, the section forward of the wings broke off and fell to the ocean first while the remainder of the plane flew about 30 seconds longer before it too falling to the sea, away from where the nose section splashed. All floating pieces were recovered fairly quickly. Granted, the crash site was close to land. In all probability, MH370 would have been shot down by a Jet Fighter, since it would have been the only way to identify what the UFO was, then shoot it down when not in compliance. The clean up of the surface of the ocean wouldn't take more than day or two when all the floating pieces would be in a relatively smal area. The military would close off the area by keeping others away while they cleaned up the place from ALL evidence. Anything that would have sunk would be recovered at later state, most likely at night. There wouldn't be any problem locating the crash site for one thing, unlike what they are having a major problems now in the last 6 weeks.
There are too many flaws! Sorry!
If Australia did shoot it down it would only do so once the aircraft crosses into its National Airpace and only if the aircraft was deemed a threat. If it was heading for Harold E Holt, then it could very well be deemed a threat if the RAAF was not able to establish contact with the aircraft either by radio or by rolling their wings left and right which means "follow me". The RAAF would instruct the aircraft to follow and land immediately at RAAF Learmonth. If they do not comply in International Airspace, they will photograph the aircraft and its call sign and ask for the number of souls on board. Immediately, the Department of Defence which would know what is happening in real time will establish communication with Australia's Prime Minister. Very senior members of Government will then contact Malaysia's Consul General who would be summonsed to meet the Prime Minister immediately. They would brief the Consul General that a Malaysian Airlines aircraft is not complying with the Air Defence Identification Zone and that if it continues into National Airspace it runs the risk of being shot down. They would do this if there was enough time. Presumably, Malaysia's Prime Minister will also be contacted.
Once the aircraft crosses into Sovereign Airspace it will be given a final opportunity to comply. The RAAF aircraft will threaten the airliner with grave consequences if it does not comply and they will show the pilots their missiles - anything to grab their attention. The RAAF aircraft will then standby for their final instructions which may be orders to destroy the aircraft and it might not be (it really is the Prime Minister's call). The Prime Minister might not authorize it under any circumstance and take the risk and he might not.
What is however a given is that Harold E Holt is a high value base. It is probably one of the most important bases on the planet. It is responsible for LF Communications to US and Australian Submarine Fleets in the Indian Ocean, including ICBM launch codes from the Pentagon. Just to put it into perspective, it is probably over 100 times more important than Diego Garcia. One would hope that all the Conspiracy Theorists would do their homework when coming up with their ridiculous theories. They kept saying that Diego Garcia is one of America's most important bases and as MH370 approached the Americans must of shot it down. I bet they never even knew about Harold E Holt. This base is a lot more important and would give the Americans and Australians more reason to do this. But no, it was all about Diego Garcia probably because they all know it from all the Hollywood Top Gun movies whereas no one really is aware of Harold E Holt which is exactly the way the Australians like it.
But shooting MH370 is still easier said than done. Australia has 4 fighter squadrons. 2 are at RAAF Tindal just South of Darwin, one at RAAF Williamstown near Sydney and another at RAAF Amberley near Brisbane. There are no fighters at RAAF Learmonth and there are no Surface to Air Missile Defence Systems? Why? Because Australia does not foresee a viable threat against Harold E Holt. If it did, then RAAF Learmonth would be teeming with F-18 aircraft. Sometimes F-18s do visit RAAF Learmonth, but they are not based there so there really is no hardware capable of shooting down MH370. But lets assume there was. They would finally shoot down the aircraft within the boundaries of their National Airspace. There is no way they will shoot it down in International Airspace. The debris will be in very shallow waters and within close proximity of many Australian towns near Harold E Holt such as Exmouth. The Australian Government will never allow the destruction of any airliner in International Airspace.
Kikapu wrote:Landing Airbus 320 on the Hudson River on calm waters is one thing with a Captain who was very seasoned than landing a Boeing 777 in an ocean that may not be so calm. I doubt very much that who ever was at the control of MH370 in it's final moment was going to try and make an attempt to ditch the plane to try and save themselves, because at this point, one must conclude that ALL other passenger and crew would have been dead since no one had tried to use their cell phones to relay in what was going on in the aircraft, unless both the pilots were in on the whole mass suicide mission to fly the MH370 in the middle of the night to Southern Indian Ocean undetected and then make a smooth landing on the water at the first light at daybreak, to try and sink the aircraft in one piece with all aboard to what it would become their coffin and their burial ground at 4500 m down on the sea bed. It doesn't make sense, but at this point, anything is possible no matter how unlikely it would be to prevent the plane from braking up upon touchdown, even under power and not under gliding. We saw what happened to Boeing 767 Ethiopia Flight 961 when gliding to land on water in the Indian Ocean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob8nE4f2ZWc
I have seen oceans in the middle of the Pacific and Indian Ocean then are like a glass sheet. In fact probably a lot calmer than the Hudson. It is not something you can easily dismiss I am afraid. It is possible and can't be ruled out. There are reports that MH370 was flown like a fighter. I do not know how they came to that conclusion or their evidence since the aircraft was outside Primary Radar coverage. The media sadly has published a lot of unfounded rubbish. However, it is not unreasonable that whoever was in control of MH370 would try to perform a soft water ski belly landing. Maybe he had read Sullenberger's book! Who knows what was going through their head. There are so many things that are unexplainable about MH370 and all the utter nonsense does not make things any easier.
Kikapu wrote:Maybe flight MH370 was approaching Harold EHolt base and the Aussies shot it down!
OK let's go along with that!
They would only shoot it down within 12nm of the coast as it approached Harold E Holt and they would only do such a thing if they are authorized to do so.
Kikapu wrote:Well, the aircraft was not shot down where the present search area is for sure, but that does not mean it was not shot down elsewhere. You are trying to read the minds of governments in what they are capable of doing or not doing, which ever the case may be. Don't assume governments in the west are always honest and will tell us what they have done. Us citizens are always last to know anything that our own governments hide from us. At this point, unless proven otherwise, all possibilities as to what happened to MH370 are valid. If you start dismissing all possibilities as to what may have happened to MH370 without hard evidence, then you are no longer being objective in what may have happened, but rather become selective in what may have happened. You are then limiting your mind to follow only what you believe to be facts and sticking to it even without hard evidence because that's what your government has told you to be the facts. If so, then to each their own. So far no one has been proven wrong or correct which means anything is possible. Just bare this fact in mind, please.
Now why would it be shot down elsewhere. The Americans and Australians are not STUPID!
I never claim the US Government or the Australian Governments are always honest. If they were honest and very nice people, they would be demilitarized and there wouldn't be a Harold E Holt which let's be honest is only their to communicate with ICBM Submarines and if necessary send launch codes and kill millions of citizens all over the world. It's not very nice. Mother Tereza wouldn't do it but yet the US Government and other Governments such as the Russians have this technology and both of them can nuke the planet about 5 times over.
Overall, you would say they are not very nice people at all for even having these ICBMs.
However, and as I stated earlier, whilst the Australian and US Governments are not Mother Tereza or 100% honest all the time by any stretch of the imagination, they are not bloody stupid enough to shoot down an airliner in International Airspace and they are in fact not deliberate arseholes to do such a thing without very valid reason to do so.
Kikapu wrote:Yes, we all know that planes can glide if engines run out of fuel, but I don't know why anyone at the controls of MH370 would want to try and save the plane and themselves in the last minute after going "AWOL" to the world in the previous 6-7 hours. The pings are at best very questionable at the moment and to those who do not believe the search area is the real crash site, believe the pings were manufactured to make believe this is the crash site. Just for the record, most helicopters too can make a survivable landing if their engine were to stop working by allowing the rotor blades rotating freely by the air passing through them.
I don't don't know why anyone would commandeer an aircraft in this fashion and kill 239 people. You're are trying to get into the head of a very disturbed and ill individual and trying too much to make sense of it. How is that even possible? Maybe he had second thoughts. It would be pretty scary seeing that water get closer and closer.
Kikapu wrote:
At this point everyone is making assumptions, are they not? Until assumptions become facts with hard evidence, that's the only thing everyone has right now to go on. Mine is just one more, that's all.
No they are not!
There is an investigation team that are doing their best to scientifically put together the pieces of this puzzle. The investigators will outline a number of scenarios such as "the most probably causes" and outline their reasons. They would not be definite about their conclusions unless they have strong evidence.
From there, the search is utilizing some known facts from the moment the aircraft went missing, and the handshake pings. From then there have been a number of leads, the most solid of which are the underwater detections consistent with Emergency Locator Beacons. The science is inexact and a bit of an art form as is the entire profession of Aircraft Performance Analysis but it is still a Science that is effected by roughly 100 variables.
Kikapu wrote:
No one knows (we think) where the aircraft might have landed, but no one knows where it has crashed either if it has. Until one is proven over the other, all other possibilities cannot be ignored, because if you only follow in what we have been told to follow, which is the Southern Indian Ocean despite not finding anything tangible in the last 6 weeks, then you cannot be objective to other possibilities.
They know that MH370 did not land, and if they do not find the aircraft in the Indian Ocean, you will never hear from this particular aircraft anywhere and neither will you hear from all the souls on board this ill fated aircraft (sadly).
