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[Kikapu]

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/09/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=ias_c1

The first signal, at 4:45 p.m. Perth Time on Saturday, lasted 2 hours 20 minutes.

The second, at 9:27 p.m. Saturday, lasted 13 minutes.

The third signal was picked up Tuesday at 4:27 p.m. That lasted 5 minutes 32 seconds.

The fourth, at 10:17 p.m. Tuesday, was 7 minutes long.

4 Signals so far of so much substantial duration and they have not yet been able to make triangulation and pinpoint the exact location of the source?
What prevents them from using the Doppler effect principle in this case?

Because the submarine that is sending these ping signals keeps moving!

[Kikapu]

Not to mention the fact that 26 countries were on a wild goose chase costing a lot money!

And what if we lost an Orion out at sea? Unlikely, but when your flying at 300Ft over a vast ocean, you do need your wits about you. It is not your typical B777 flight. It is dangerous.

It's just way too hard even for the Americans.

Firstly, imagine the resources required to remove all the debris from the ocean. You can't leave a single article behind and the ocean would be littered with all kinds of floating objects over dozens of kms. And somehow you have to do it without anyone seeing a damn thing or picking up any debris.

And that the reason as to why where the Aussies basically lead the search in the areas they have chosen cannot be the area of the crash site for the reasons you have mentioned above since not a single hard evidence has been found from MH370. What is it going to take you Paphitis to at least admit that this cannot be the area of the crash site despite the sounds of the pings detected, because they too are not 100% accurate or dependable?

[Kikapu]

To make it as simple as possible I have used picture No 4 to draw circles within which the emmitter has sent the signals that were received and verified.
Here it is.



Do you have to be a rocket scientist to conclude that:

They tell me one thing guys: That each and everyone of those pings is MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE to ALL OTHERS.
That the only way possible for that happening could be if the the beacon emitting the signals WAS MOVING.
If ping No 1 is correct then all others are wrong.If more than 1 pings is correct, then the "man made device" was moving

It was ADV Ocean Shield that was in the area. On top of that, Australian AP-3C Orions blitz the entire area. If anything was moving underwater, the Australians would pick it up 100% guaranteed!

Even a divers pinger moving by itself?

Moving by itself? How?

AP-3C Orions usually lay 36 sonobuoys in a 2 by 18 grid or 3 by 12 or 4 by 9. Nothing can slip through the net. American and Russian Subs alike are sitting ducks. Usually follow them across the globe as well. Where there is a Russian Sub, you will find an Orion in the air.

But there were known subs in the search area, were they not? They were not the subject to be found, but the MH370!

[Paphitis]

You should ask them my friend!

I don't doubt the Australians did everything to the letter.
But I don't think they are stupid. I am absolutely certain they are already raising a brow after looking at those locations that they managed to pick up pings.
Like I said before given the fact that each and every one of those locations is mutually exclusive to the rest they will have to check the remote possibility of ONLY 1 out of those 4 verified pings could be the REAL THING. Although they will still be suspicious as to why they received the other 3.
They will do what they have to do "by the book" and then forget all about it.
So what will they do? They will scan the floor within that area knowing that the chance to find anything is near zero.
After doing that they will forget all about it.

No I do not believe they are considering this because they have deemed all detections as credible. There is absolutely no indication that the signals are coming from another source.

[Paphitis]

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/09/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=ias_c1

The first signal, at 4:45 p.m. Perth Time on Saturday, lasted 2 hours 20 minutes.

The second, at 9:27 p.m. Saturday, lasted 13 minutes.

The third signal was picked up Tuesday at 4:27 p.m. That lasted 5 minutes 32 seconds.

The fourth, at 10:17 p.m. Tuesday, was 7 minutes long.

4 Signals so far of so much substantial duration and they have not yet been able to make triangulation and pinpoint the exact location of the source?
What prevents them from using the Doppler effect principle in this case?

Because the submarine that is sending these ping signals keeps moving!

There is no submarine in the search area!

[Paphitis]

Not to mention the fact that 26 countries were on a wild goose chase costing a lot money!

And what if we lost an Orion out at sea? Unlikely, but when your flying at 300Ft over a vast ocean, you do need your wits about you. It is not your typical B777 flight. It is dangerous.

It's just way too hard even for the Americans.

Firstly, imagine the resources required to remove all the debris from the ocean. You can't leave a single article behind and the ocean would be littered with all kinds of floating objects over dozens of kms. And somehow you have to do it without anyone seeing a damn thing or picking up any debris.

And that the reason as to why where the Aussies basically lead the search in the areas they have chosen cannot be the area of the crash site for the reasons you have mentioned above since not a single hard evidence has been found from MH370. What is it going to take you Paphitis to at least admit that this cannot be the area of the crash site despite the sounds of the pings detected, because they too are not 100% accurate or dependable?

That would be the case if it was shot down. Since it was not, most of it is on the seabed and all other debris would have drifted thousands of kms away. Basically, they would be closer to Africa by now. If in the roaring fourties, maybe Tasmania or New Zealand.

[Paphitis]

To make it as simple as possible I have used picture No 4 to draw circles within which the emmitter has sent the signals that were received and verified.
Here it is.



Do you have to be a rocket scientist to conclude that:

They tell me one thing guys: That each and everyone of those pings is MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE to ALL OTHERS.
That the only way possible for that happening could be if the the beacon emitting the signals WAS MOVING.
If ping No 1 is correct then all others are wrong.If more than 1 pings is correct, then the "man made device" was moving

It was ADV Ocean Shield that was in the area. On top of that, Australian AP-3C Orions blitz the entire area. If anything was moving underwater, the Australians would pick it up 100% guaranteed!

Even a divers pinger moving by itself?

Moving by itself? How?

AP-3C Orions usually lay 36 sonobuoys in a 2 by 18 grid or 3 by 12 or 4 by 9. Nothing can slip through the net. American and Russian Subs alike are sitting ducks. Usually follow them across the globe as well. Where there is a Russian Sub, you will find an Orion in the air.

But there were known subs in the search area, were they not? They were not the subject to be found, but the MH370!

Do you remember how the JACC announced AP-3C aircraft deployed sensitive sonobuoys in the search area?

These aircraft are the best Submarine Hunters on the planet.

[Paphitis]

The search for debris has been extended by 3 days. It had been Australia's intention to abandon this part of the operation by now as they do not believe it is likely any debris will be found. The Australian Authorities were put under enormous pressure by the relatives to continue this search.

The Australian PM has also denied that the underwater component of the search will cease any time soon!

So far they have successfully searched 110 sq kms if ocean floor.

[Paphitis]

Australia and Malaysia sign an agreement on who will handle the Black Box upon retrieval.

Australia will be in charge of retrieval but it appears that the Black Box will have to be handed over to the Malaysian Aviation Authorities immediately.

Australia to assist in the investigation.

http://m.smh.com.au/world/mh370-search- ... zqwkr.html

[Paphitis]

The Bluefin-21 operated to a record depth of 4700 m on its 4th mission successfully. Exceeding the limitations does have its risks but the US Navy technical team on board ADV Ocean Shield are monitoring the submersible closely.

It looks like the are bypassing the submersible's in built safety feature for now.

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/business/ ... 6889298155