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[Paphitis]

I think it’s time they started designing planes that cannot be hijacked. You can achieve this by making the pilot’s cabin inaccessible from the passenger’s area.

A small slot can allow trays of food and other small objects to be passed to the pilots during a flight.

Any threats of harming crew or passengers should be completely ignored by pilots whose emergency reaction should only be the emergency landing to the closest port.

And the pilots can have a special toilet they can use while flying without leaving their seats, just like astronauts.

There’s nothing wrong with pilots having their own little toilet incorporated somewhere in the new cabin design.

It’s obvious that the world needs to move on from the traditional 1940s plane designs and prepare for a hijack-free future where eventually computers will make human pilots obsolete.

Unfortunately it is going to be difficult to completely prevent terrorist events involving aircraft. Terrorist Groups will always try but we can make things incredibly difficult for them.

After 911, they secured the Cockpit and access was restricted. There are a few weak points such as when the Cockpit is unlocked for food, drinks etc. there is a bunk at the back which can be self contained with toilet and secured. But the Pilots will resist this because that will leave them cooped up into a small area which might be an OH&S concern. It's also incredibly boring and dull (especially on long haul) not to have face to face contact with other crew (Flight Attendants).

It's incredibly sad that many years in Aviation have been spent incorporating Crew Resource Management into the entire cabin and now we are looking at ways to bring back the barriers between Tech Crew and Cabin Crew.

It has been proven that Crew Resource Management has the potential to save lives. The British Midland crash could have been avoided if there was more communication between Cabin Crew and Tech Crew and now we are putting these barriers back!

It's a case of 2 steps forward and one step back!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kegworth_air_disaster

[Kikapu]

If the "oil" sleek discovered is for real and not a phantom one like everything else so far, it is more than likely an oil tanker cleaned out its tanks in the open seas. A very common practice.

It can hardly be a Jet fuel, since any leftover jet fuel on MH370 would have evaporated from the ocean surface in the last month or so in the Southern Indian Ocean's heat, assuming there even be a sleek to speak of from the little fuel the MH370 had left aboard. Further more, where there is an oil sleek, there should be broken plane parts floating on the water at the same vicinity, so where is the debris from MH370? I don't think there would be that much engine oil or Hydraulic fluid on the Boeing 777 to create such a sleek from the depths of 4500m.

They clearly stated that they detected an oil slick and if you check Marine Traffic you will see that the nearest ships are thousands of kms away. The only ships in the area are ADV Ocean Shield and HMS Echo.

They also said that the slick was down sea from the pings and that they will analyze a sample to ascertain its origins.

But if it's only a very small oil sleek, it could have come from any one of the many search ships in the area when the auto pumps pump out their bilges.

I don't know where you get this from.

The Authorities never mentioned how big or small the oil slick was. It was obviously big enough to warrant closer inspection and for them to collect a sample and investigate its origins. This is one of the last rolls of the dice unfortunately, so let's hope there is a connection to MH370 because this will be a solid indication about the validity of the Black Box detections and the location of MH370.

I'm just asking the question, because they haven't said anything about the size of the slick yet. Unfortunately, there has been so many turns and twists created by the search parties in looking for MH370, they have also created doubts in the minds of many people. I'm just pre-empting the possibilities, if it's in fact a small oil slick or even a much larger one for that matter.

[Paphitis]

If the "oil" sleek discovered is for real and not a phantom one like everything else so far, it is more than likely an oil tanker cleaned out its tanks in the open seas. A very common practice.

It can hardly be a Jet fuel, since any leftover jet fuel on MH370 would have evaporated from the ocean surface in the last month or so in the Southern Indian Ocean's heat, assuming there even be a sleek to speak of from the little fuel the MH370 had left aboard. Further more, where there is an oil sleek, there should be broken plane parts floating on the water at the same vicinity, so where is the debris from MH370? I don't think there would be that much engine oil or Hydraulic fluid on the Boeing 777 to create such a sleek from the depths of 4500m.

They clearly stated that they detected an oil slick and if you check Marine Traffic you will see that the nearest ships are thousands of kms away. The only ships in the area are ADV Ocean Shield and HMS Echo.

They also said that the slick was down sea from the pings and that they will analyze a sample to ascertain its origins.

But if it's only a very small oil sleek, it could have come from any one of the many search ships in the area when the auto pumps pump out their bilges.

I don't know where you get this from.

The Authorities never mentioned how big or small the oil slick was. It was obviously big enough to warrant closer inspection and for them to collect a sample and investigate its origins. This is one of the last rolls of the dice unfortunately, so let's hope there is a connection to MH370 because this will be a solid indication about the validity of the Black Box detections and the location of MH370.

I'm just asking the question, because they haven't said anything about the size of the slick yet. Unfortunately, there has been so many turns and twists created by the search parties in looking for MH370, they have also created doubts in the minds of many people. I'm just pre-empting the possibilities, if it's in fact a small oil slick or even a much larger one for that matter.

They will release hundreds of photos when the time is right.

Also, this saga was always going to have so many twists and turns just because of the unusual nature of this crash. First they started off with close to nothing and since then there have been many leads, the most promising of which is the detection of signals consistent with those of ELTs on the Black Box. You are being very naive and do not appreciate the extent of the challenges and hurdles faced by all those involved in the Search Effort.

The oil slick is just another lead and they won't know the origins until they test the Oil Sample.

There are only 2 possibilities:
1) the oil slick is unrelated to MH370, or
2) it is related to MH370 which will be an excellent result because it means they will find the wreckage.

The authorities will either way let us know, just like they have done so for every other possible lead that ended up as a dead end.

Nothing more to say than that!

[Kikapu]

Also, this saga was always going to have so many twists and turns just because of the unusual nature of this crash. First they started off with close to nothing and since then there have been many leads, the most promising of which is the detection of signals consistent with those of ELTs on the Black Box. You are being very naive and do not appreciate the extent of the challenges and hurdles faced by all those involved in the Search Effort.

Paphitis, just for the sake of argument lets just say that MH370 had been Hijacked and landed somewhere safe or that it has been shot down close to Diego Garcia by the Americans, and in either case they wanted to hide the truth from the general public, how differently would things would have happened by the Australians if not the way it has already happened so far to hide the truth, because one does not need to be an aviation expert as you are to know more than others using just common sense in this matter. Often when things do not make sense, it is very hard to accept it as fact, and many times in the last 5 weeks, many things have not made any sense at all.

You cannot just brush aside others perception of the whole MH370 incident just because most do not posses aviation background, because in this situation, very little aviation background is in fact needed to reach certain conclusions, because up until to this point, no one has been proven wrong or proven correct, so please, get off your superiority high horse in I know it all because this case is aviation related, because if certain information was needed to be kept secret and Australia was aiding and abetting in keeping it secret, what they have done to this point and what is next to follow, is exactly what would have been done thus far. If you were open minded about different possibilities as to what may have happened to MH370 and not just accept what the Australian government has said and done to this point, you too may accept that the plane did not just crash into the Southern Indian Ocean when it had no business being anywhere there in the first place.

[Pyrpolizer]

You are all over the place. It was you that stated that I replied to "g"IG's link in a rude manner and I certainly had no idea what you were on about. Now you say I didn't. Really confused with you.

I suggest you go to the Kafeneio and talk your nonsense to your heart's content there!

I caught you many times lacking basic logic.
I caught you a million times been totally unable to concentrate to the point.
Now you confirmed that you are also unable to follow anyone’s arguments.

GIG has provided a link and was commenting on that very specific link.
You provided absolutely no link.
I have written NOTHING other than quoting a part from GIG's link with some smilies
You responded with this

You're so dumb!

They clearly stated they had found an oil slick and had picked up a 2 liter sample for testing and analysis.

They never said anything less or beyond this.

Vlaka! Learn some English!

It took me 5 seconds to suspect your sources differ from those of GIG. And another 5 seconds to find out your sources were the CNN. I am absolutely certain you have not yet suspected anything even after 24 hours have passed. Such a slow donkey you are.

You were calling everyone names on the assumption that everybody has read your own links that you never provided on the first place.
I have provided your own link later.
I even quoted some more parts from it, actually the part that says they found silks before, was from that very specific CNN link.
You go on calling it stupid etc.

This brings me to the conclusion you are ILITHIOS.

[Paphitis]

Also, this saga was always going to have so many twists and turns just because of the unusual nature of this crash. First they started off with close to nothing and since then there have been many leads, the most promising of which is the detection of signals consistent with those of ELTs on the Black Box. You are being very naive and do not appreciate the extent of the challenges and hurdles faced by all those involved in the Search Effort.

Paphitis, just for the sake of argument lets just say that MH370 had been Hijacked and landed somewhere safe or that it has been shot down close to Diego Garcia by the Americans, and in either case they wanted to hide the truth from the general public, how differently would things would have happened by the Australians if not the way it has already happened so far to hide the truth, because one does not need to be an aviation expert as you are to know more than others using just common sense in this matter. Often when things do not make sense, it is very hard to accept it as fact, and many times in the last 5 weeks, many things have not made any sense at all.

First of all I DO NOT believe it is possible for the Americans to shoot down an Airliner without anyone knowing about it and secondly hide all the debris over many miles before local fishermen got to it. Really sorry but I do have some knowledge on the area and can't see it.

You cannot just brush aside others perception of the whole MH370 incident just because most do not posses aviation background, because in this situation, very little aviation background is in fact needed to reach certain conclusions, because up until to this point, no one has been proven wrong or proven correct, so please, get off your superiority high horse in I know it all because this case is aviation related, because if certain information was needed to be kept secret and Australia was aiding and abetting in keeping it secret, what they have done to this point and what is next to follow, is exactly what would have been done thus far. If you were open minded about different possibilities as to what may have happened to MH370 and not just accept what the Australian government has said and done to this point, you too may accept that the plane did not just crash into the Southern Indian Ocean when it had no business being anywhere there in the first place.

Yes I can and the authorities and everyone I know in the industry have also brushed to the side all these ridiculous conspiracy theories! In fact they have enough sense to not even dignify these hair brain theories with a response.

[Paphitis]

You are all over the place. It was you that stated that I replied to "g"IG's link in a rude manner and I certainly had no idea what you were on about. Now you say I didn't. Really confused with you.

I suggest you go to the Kafeneio and talk your nonsense to your heart's content there!

I caught you many times lacking basic logic.
I caught you a million times been totally unable to concentrate to the point.
Now you confirmed that you are also unable to follow anyone’s arguments.

GIG has provided a link and was commenting on that very specific link.
You provided absolutely no link.
I have written NOTHING other than quoting a part from GIG's link with some smilies
You responded with this

You're so dumb!

They clearly stated they had found an oil slick and had picked up a 2 liter sample for testing and analysis.

They never said anything less or beyond this.

Vlaka! Learn some English!

It took me 5 seconds to suspect your sources differ from those of GIG. And another 5 seconds to find out your sources were the CNN. I am absolutely certain you have not yet suspected anything even after 24 hours have passed. Such a slow donkey you are.

You were calling everyone names on the assumption that everybody has read your own links that you never provided on the first place.
I have provided your own link later.
I even quoted some more parts from it, actually the part that says they found silks before, was from that very specific CNN link.
You go on calling it stupid etc.

This brings me to the conclusion you are ILITHIOS.

Firstly, just because someone provides a link it does not mean that that link is credible and if they are claiming that Jet Fuel was spotted then they are down right STUPID because there is not a single official source that has stated such a thing at all. I told you many times that much of the media is full of nonsense and urged you to stick to official sources. CNN and maybe a few others actually have responsible reporting so there are some good news outlets out there but you need a brain to sift through it all. Something you do not have and hence are unable to do! VLAKA!

Also, "g"IG actually has a brain and as a result I know she does not agree with you. She agrees with me because I know her too well and I also know she is not dumb! She just doesn't like me at all and has an axe to grind which is why she is cheering on an IDIOT like you! You on the other-hand are absolutely STUPID. I do not say this to be insulting and please don't take it personally but I find you very unintelligent to say the least!

Actually no! I have never used any media source or rarely done so although I do give credence to CNN because they don't talk malakies like you! My sources are mostly JACC, and AMSA but I might throw in another source here or there if I think it is valid. My biggest contribution is my common sense, knowledge and personal assessment derived from years of experience and I have not been wrong once. IDIOT!

Now wipe your face and get over it!

You're a VLAKA! Pure and simple!

[GreekIslandGirl]

I'm losing track of events.

- Can we make a list of everything we know or is confirmed, so far?

So far:

1. The flight was deliberately diverted.

2. Its communication systems manually switched off.

3. No new electronic pings have been heard since April 8th (and even those were unconfirmed as genuine).

4. Revealed that "experts" are no longer certain whether the plane had run out of fuel or not.

5. Over 5 weeks later, still no debris found.

6. Discovery; as "all-hope-pinned-on-submersible" now deemed a task-failure - we are amazed we cannot even measure ocean depths.

[Paphitis]

I'm losing track of events.

- Can we make a list of everything we know or is confirmed, so far?

So far:

1. The flight was deliberately diverted.

2. Its communication systems manually switched off.

3. No new electronic pings have been heard since April 8th (and even those were unconfirmed as genuine).

4. Revealed that "experts" are no longer certain whether the plane had run out of fuel or not.

5. Over 5 weeks later, still no debris found.

6. Discovery; as "all-hope-pinned-on-submersible" now deemed a task-failure - we are amazed we cannot even calculate ocean depths.

They know exactly all the ocean depths and they did say they are on the right side of 4500m. That means that there are deeper parts than that and I am sure they are going to want to survey these parts as well.

Maybe they are planning to bring in a submersible that can go deeper.

AUVs were always going to be what would visually confirm the presence of MH370 or not. No matter how many Black Box signals they got, it always comes down to the AUV.

[GreekIslandGirl]

I'm losing track of events.

- Can we make a list of everything we know or is confirmed, so far?

So far:

1. The flight was deliberately diverted.

2. Its communication systems manually switched off.

3. No new electronic pings have been heard since April 8th (and even those were unconfirmed as genuine).

4. Revealed that "experts" are no longer certain whether the plane had run out of fuel or not.

5. Over 5 weeks later, still no debris found.

6. Discovery; as "all-hope-pinned-on-submersible" now deemed a task-failure - we are amazed we cannot even measure ocean depths.

Australian search officials may need to use a different underwater vehicle to scan the ocean floor for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight, after the first submersible mission was cut short because the ocean floor appears to be more than 4,500m deep.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/a ... hort-4500m