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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:51 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Aircraft Performance Analysts would have crunched the numbers for all kinds of configurations and plotted these on a map but what is not clear is whether the aircraft went in from fuel exhaustion or was deliberately ditched as in a suicide for whatever reason. They would even factor in the Grid Point Winds for altitudes at 2000, 5000, 7000, 10000FT, FL125, FL150 all the way up to FL420.

All this stuff will be published and released by the ATSB in the future.


And you are ann Aircraft Performance Analyst?
Where is your link?


There are no links to my brain or to real industry experience.

Yes I can get a job as an Analyst if I wanted to. Usually Pilots who lose their medicals are placed in these jobs.

In a previous job I was assigned as one of the Technical Pilots which means I was a point of contact for our small team of Analysts whenever they had to do something interesting like a Minimum Equipment List (MEL) Ferry or something.

These Analysts would do most of the Flight Planning, Regulated Take-off Charts, Route Data Cards, Navlogs, Point of No Returns (PNRs), Critical Points, MELs, and Approach Plates, SIDS and Aerodrome Obstacle Clearance Surveys.

They are a wealth of knowledge because it is there job to know every aspect of Aircraft Performance. They are important.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:54 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:The black box pingers story was necessary to conclude the matter at this precise ending with just circumstantial evidence.
In the next few days they will confirm those oils were from an "aircraft" without knowing which type of aircraft :wink:
The next step is to add more such circumstantial evidence and they will do that slowly so that the masses digest it.
I wonder what will be the next one....


It's not in their interest to falsify the findings because that will condemn the Aussies to a fruitless and endless search of MH370 which would just cost a fortune.

The only thing they are interested in is investigating all their leads and hopefully find the wreckage of MH370. that is their goal.

This is the most stupid thing I have heard.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:00 am

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Pyrpolizer wrote:The next step is to add more such circumstantial evidence and they will do that slowly so that the masses digest it.
I wonder what will be the next one....


They will find some dead fish and say there was cod and chips being prepared for the aircraft meals. :P


I am very disappointed in you because you are someone that should know better!

You even did a PHD in JETA1 fuel and someone like you should understand the process and the importance of finding the Black Box, not just for the relatives but to allow investigators to get to the bottom of this because their findings are important to safety. Every rule and procedure has something behind it and many are as a result of lost lives in the past.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:01 am

Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:The black box pingers story was necessary to conclude the matter at this precise ending with just circumstantial evidence.
In the next few days they will confirm those oils were from an "aircraft" without knowing which type of aircraft :wink:
The next step is to add more such circumstantial evidence and they will do that slowly so that the masses digest it.
I wonder what will be the next one....


I don't know how they can make such a claim with a straight face that the so called oil sleek is jet fuel when there are no aircraft parts floating in the same vicinity, but I'm afraid they will do as you have suggested to complete the whole MH370 saga with everything based on phantom evidence.


They never made such a claim at all!

But it might be jet fuel and the only way they will know 100% is after they test the substance.

If it is, then this is terrific because it means they are searching in the right spot and they will find the wreckage.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:03 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:I really pity them. Seems they never heard the seas are full of garbage. After those 23m garbage, they are now collecting oil silks!

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/14/world ... hpt=ias_c1

It's not the first oil slick detected as part of the search. An earlier find was determined to be fuel oil from a freighter.


I think you should skip along the Oil Silk Road! Run along! :lol:
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:05 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:The black box pingers story was necessary to conclude the matter at this precise ending with just circumstantial evidence.
In the next few days they will confirm those oils were from an "aircraft" without knowing which type of aircraft :wink:
The next step is to add more such circumstantial evidence and they will do that slowly so that the masses digest it.
I wonder what will be the next one....


I don't know how they can make such a claim with a straight face that the so called oil sleek is jet fuel when there are no aircraft parts floating in the same vicinity, but I'm afraid they will do as you have suggested to complete the whole MH370 saga with everything based on phantom evidence.


What's also questionable is why they did not make so much fuss the previous time they found similar sliks?
Unless someone told them "hey don't miss ANY circumstantial evidence again. We need all you can find to feed the masses until they digest it". :wink:


Yes they did. They investigated another Oil Slick which they found in the Southern Indian Ocean SW of Perth and found that it was unrelated to MH370.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:08 am

Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:The black box pingers story was necessary to conclude the matter at this precise ending with just circumstantial evidence.
In the next few days they will confirm those oils were from an "aircraft" without knowing which type of aircraft :wink:
The next step is to add more such circumstantial evidence and they will do that slowly so that the masses digest it.
I wonder what will be the next one....


I don't know how they can make such a claim with a straight face that the so called oil sleek is jet fuel when there are no aircraft parts floating in the same vicinity, but I'm afraid they will do as you have suggested to complete the whole MH370 saga with everything based on phantom evidence.


What's also questionable is why they did not make so much fuss the previous time they found similar sliks?
Unless someone told them "hey don't miss ANY circumstantial evidence again. We need all you can find to feed the masses until they digest it". :wink:


They might now throw one or two aircraft seat cushions into the sea in the vicinity of the so-called oil sleek to make the claim that they have found parts of the missing aircraft, and then claim that all the dead bodies has been eaten by the sharks, as to the reason why there are no bodies floating anywhere.


They wouldn't fuck themselves up like that!

Such a thing will mean that Australia would have to devote resources in order to find MH370 which of course would be fruitless. That is going to cost a fortune.

There is nothing to gain by doing such a stupid thing!

What they will be looking for should they be unsuccessful once they have mapped and imaged the ocean floor within the search area in its entirety is actually say they have exhausted all their leads so far and that they do not have anymore leads and stop the search.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:13 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:Any info as to why the previous guy John Young was replaced with this retired General Houston?
I will even accept info from you Paphitis.
I liked John Young. He was holding press conferences with nice presentations.
Ever since this Houston got over, hmmm... nothing other than dry announcements

http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/incidents/mh370-search.asp


John Young is the Director of AMSA who are still heavily involved in the Search.

Angus Houston is head of the Joint Agency Coordination Centre which is tasked with coordinating the ADF, AMSA, and everyone else involved such as the Chinese, Americans, Brits, kiwis, Malaysians, Japanese, and South Koreans.

They are all good and working in the same team.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:15 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:The black box pingers story was necessary to conclude the matter at this precise ending with just circumstantial evidence.
In the next few days they will confirm those oils were from an "aircraft" without knowing which type of aircraft :wink:
The next step is to add more such circumstantial evidence and they will do that slowly so that the masses digest it.
I wonder what will be the next one....


I don't know how they can make such a claim with a straight face that the so called oil sleek is jet fuel when there are no aircraft parts floating in the same vicinity, but I'm afraid they will do as you have suggested to complete the whole MH370 saga with everything based on phantom evidence.


What's also questionable is why they did not make so much fuss the previous time they found similar sliks?
Unless someone told them "hey don't miss ANY circumstantial evidence again. We need all you can find to feed the masses until they digest it". :wink:


They might now throw one or two aircraft seat cushions into the sea in the vicinity of the so-called oil sleek to make the claim that they have found parts of the missing aircraft, and then claim that all the dead bodies has been eaten by the sharks, as to the reason why there are no bodies floating anywhere.


I kind of suspected that. :wink: Plus maybe some terrible quality underwater pictures showing "man made" objects :lol:


If they find something real, they will reveal it. If not, they will keep looking until they cover the entire area! Simple as that!
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:22 am

Get Real! wrote:I think it’s time they started designing planes that cannot be hijacked. You can achieve this by making the pilot’s cabin inaccessible from the passenger’s area.

A small slot can allow trays of food and other small objects to be passed to the pilots during a flight.

Any threats of harming crew or passengers should be completely ignored by pilots whose emergency reaction should only be the emergency landing to the closest port.


Where have you been?

We need you to apply some intelligence because this thread is getting ridiculous.

Pilots are already told to ignore any threats from the Cabin. Even if they start killing crew or passengers, they are not to unlock the doors to the Flight Deck, and land at the nearest aerodrome after declaring an emergency.

The investigation process is very important because potentially they can come up with recommendations which would hopefully make flying safer for everyone. It could be that recommendations you have put forward are being considered in some form.
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