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[Paphitis]

As gory as it may sound, the innocent passengers would not be a factor. They could all be American Citizens but it would not matter. How can they justify that? Very easily when they will claim that their action was necessary to protect the lives of many more on the ground. And there isn't much of a argument against this, certainly no legal one that is for sure.

The Chinese in particular are very draconian about their ADIZ and wouldn't hesitate. The political cost would exist, but the Department of Defence will issue an official statement and after a few days or weeks, it is all forgotten. They may offer the families some financial assistance and they will express deep sorrow, but really there is not much else that can be done.

That's all very well if the unidentified plane was approaching New York from the Atlantic, but according to you, Diego Garcia has very little importance to warrant shooting down anything, let alone a large jetliner, therefore political fallout will be much greater if such an act occurred.

I never said that Diego Garcia is not important. it is as important to other bases and there are 200 permanent service personnel and 2000 contractors that work there.

Strategically however, it is not one of the important bases. For instance, it is not as important as Akrotiri in Cyprus.

They probably would shoot it down only if they were satisfied that MH370 was going to kill people on the ground. The commander or his chain of command will weigh many things up. Are any service personnel at risk of being killed? That is the type of question that will trigger a harsh response.

Losing the runway, or a hangar temporarily or even a couple of aircraft may not do so automatically. They could just be happy to take the hit.

Losing the JETA1 Fuel Facility might be another factor considering the fact that Diego Garcia's main importance is as a fuel stop for military aircraft between Australia and Europe.

[Paphitis]

Latest report!

Australian Prime Minister has just met with China's President and given him the latest information he has from Angus Houston.

Australian PM has confirmed that they have located the Black Box with a "high degree of certainty". He also thanked China for its assistance in the search effort.

Those are Australian PM's words not mine.

All of the above is just adding more to the irregularities in this case with more contadictions, which has already created many gaps in this case to which it creates more suspicion that there's some funny business is going on and that it has nothing to do with the so called finding of the Black Boxes. Why does the MP of Australia need to go all the way to China to deliver a personal message that the Black Boxes are almost found? Shouldn't he be going to Malaysia instead?

Sorry Kikapu but I am not buying this at all.

I don't see any irregularities other than this being one of the toughest crashes to investigate in aviation history. The reason for briefing China is because 154 of the victims were Chinese citizens and China has been a big help and genuinely is looking for the answers as they are under some local pressure.

You don't see irregularities between what Angus Houston has stated about needing another 20 days to do the search for the Black Boxes and then 5 minutes later, the Australian MP is on the plane to Chine to state that the Black Boxes are indeed almost found. Why didn't he just use the phone to call the Chinese President? Perhaps the phone conversation would be leaked to the media if it was something other than actually finding the Black Boxes, and Malaysia is totally ignored when it was their plane that has gone missing. Makes one think, No?

Angus Houston provides releases for public consumption.

However there was a press conference today for the Australian PM in Beijing and he told reporters that he had spoke to Angus Houston just a few minutes before briefing the Chinese President.

The information relayed to the Chinese President was from Angus Houston and the Australian Coordination Center.

It is likely that they will continue to search for signals for the next 20 days, before launching the submersible, however I think they will launch it within the next 4 or 5 days if they do not detect a signal in that time. The Australian PM also stated that there are signs that the Black Box signal is fading fast so they are in a race against time to try and detect it a few more times to gather as much information as possible.

As to the recovery, they stated that this is a very difficult task but not impossible. It could take a minimum of 2 months for actually finding it on the seabed and retrieving it.

But the general consensus from the Australian Authorities, and the Australian PM, is that they have detected the Black Box of MH370 (to a high degree of certainty) and that the search area has been redefined.

Australian PM also announced that AP-3C Orion aircraft have been deploying highly sensitive and expensive one use Sonar Devices.

[Flying Horse]

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[GreekIslandGirl]

I'm losing track of events.

- Can we make a list of everything we know or is confirmed, so far?

So far:

1. The flight was deliberately diverted.

2. Its communication systems manually switched off.

[Pyrpolizer]

MH370 stopped being "news" already in most major media
Within one week it will be totally forgotten.

The black box pingers story was necessary to conclude the matter at this precise ending.

Presumably they will continue the search for about a month to find the black boxes. Of course some fools will think that that it would be possible to find the black boxes without first locating the plane. Nothing will be found. At best the pingers were deliberately thrown there to draw an end to the whole fiasco. Anyone can buy pingers and they are all identical in frequency, pitch duration and all other specs.

So while continuing for the final announcement to be released to the stupid masses, anyone who doesn’t consider himself an honorable member of the pack, should go back and reconsider the whole issue.
People using the absolute minimum information released sniffed the hoax a long long time ago.
And here’s another one who spent his time and knowledge to draw scientific conclusions that prove the hoax.

Inmarsat has pulled off the hoax of the century by directing the search for MH 370 to the Indian Ocean.

The probability of finding the plane in the present search area is no higher than for any other randomly selected area in the Indian Ocean.

http://marvinsthinking.blogspot.com/

[Pyrpolizer]

For anyone with the slightest scientific knowledge the process of pinpointing the EXACT location of the beacons with an accuracy of a few meters is the following.

a)Get the amplitude of the 4 confirmed pings.
b)ask Boeing to provide lab data of how the amplitude changes with depth. Doubtful that Boeing has any such data.
c) Sure thing: get that data on site by contacting a controlled experiment. Procedure: Use an identical pinger from Boeing. Flat the battery by 95%. (The batteries used deliver the same amperage either they are at 95% or 50% flat). Lower the pinger in the sea at 500, 1000, 1500, 2000, 3000 etc ft and take measurements of the amplitude. Get your experimental data within hours.
Using the data from A and D do triangulation -better say quatro-angulation and pin point the exact location of the pinger with an accuracy of a few meters.

Total time needed to get results MAX 2 DAYS.

They should have already done it, and they should have already pinpointed the EXACT position with an accuracy of a few meters.

What do they tell us? They narrow and narrow and narrow the search and they are now at the stage of having to look down at an area about 30000 m radius.
1000 times more than the expected one!!

If it were like that, then GPS devices would be totally useless. They are certainly trying to buy time. The hoax is unfolding day in day out!

[Pyrpolizer]

The other 2 possibilities are
a)The amplitudes of all 4 pingers were the same, so any safe triangulation would be impossible
b)The amplitudes were so different and inconsistent, that once again no safe triangulation would be possible

In that case what’s the use of using such Beacons on aircraft, if there is absolutely no way to pin point their location at the depths of the seas? Such rusty technology of the 50’s should have already been abandoned, in fact from the times of the French accident.

Now watch them in the next few days issuing announcements that "no safe triangulation was possible".

[Kikapu]

MH370 stopped being "news" already in most major media
Within one week it will be totally forgotten.

The black box pingers story was necessary to conclude the matter at this precise ending.

Presumably they will continue the search for about a month to find the black boxes. Of course some fools will think that that it would be possible to find the black boxes without first locating the plane. Nothing will be found. At best the pingers were deliberately thrown there to draw an end to the whole fiasco. Anyone can buy pingers and they are all identical in frequency, pitch duration and all other specs.

So while continuing for the final announcement to be released to the stupid masses, anyone who doesn’t consider himself an honorable member of the pack, should go back and reconsider the whole issue.
People using the absolute minimum information released sniffed the hoax a long long time ago.
And here’s another one who spent his time and knowledge to draw scientific conclusions that prove the hoax.

Inmarsat has pulled off the hoax of the century by directing the search for MH 370 to the Indian Ocean.

The probability of finding the plane in the present search area is no higher than for any other randomly selected area in the Indian Ocean.

http://marvinsthinking.blogspot.com/

I can't say I disagree with what you had to say in your post, Pyro.

It has been one "Snow Job" after another since the Malaysian PM made the announcement declaring that the MH370 had crashed into the Indian Ocean and ALL on board were dead, all this without a single piece of evidence to back his statement.

The truth will eventually surface when someone would leak the information out. In the meantime the families will live in agony with their sorrows losing their loved ones. Isn't it amazing, that most of the Chinese victim's relatives had already figured it out in the first few days of the MH370 disappearing that information was being withheld from them by the officials and that they were getting the run-around. Nothing has changed today, I’m afraid.

[Pyrpolizer]

Imagine the pain of our own people here in Cyprus having to wait for decades to learn the fate of their loved ones Kikapu...
Anyway according to the capabilities they already published that submarine will map the whole "narrowed" area within maximum 20 days.
20 days one month is not a long time to draw conclusions. Probably they will drag it down to 2 months with various excuses.
After that the masses will be convinced that the plane crashed there, they even got it's pings from the Black boxes, and forget all about it.

[Paphitis]

I'm losing track of events.

- Can we make a list of everything we know or is confirmed, so far?

So far:

1. The flight was deliberately diverted.

2. Its communication systems manually switched off.

3. The Black box has been located (with a high degree of certainty) according to reports from the Australian Coordination Center and Prime Minister

4. The ELTs are fading fast or perhaps even deteriorated to a level whereby there is doubt that they will be detected again.