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[Kikapu]

Back to the shoot down theory.

There is a series of procedures before a country resorts to shooting down an aircraft. These procedures are published in the Jeppessen Airway Manual which all airliners have on the Flight Deck.

Here is a link to what these procedures are:

http://www.ukfsc.co.uk/files/Safety%20B ... 0Aerad.pdf

Here is the Federal Aviation Authority version:

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publica ... m0506.html

I will scan and upload the official document from the Jeppesen Airway Manual Emergency Section if anyone is interested. This is the official copy and procedures for "Intercepted Aircraft" and it is the latest current version. The procedure also entails signals in the event radio communications are not established to the Intercepted Aircraft such as the following:

Rocking of Wings - You have been intercept and must follow me.

What doesn't happen is aircraft getting shot down willy nilly!

No one is claiming that if the MH370 was shot down, it was done so willy nilly, Paphitis. It would have been shot down after ALL the steps were taken as the examples you have given, hence the reason why there are only very few passenger jets that are shot down.

[Paphitis]

Back to the shoot down theory.

There is a series of procedures before a country resorts to shooting down an aircraft. These procedures are published in the Jeppessen Airway Manual which all airliners have on the Flight Deck.

Here is a link to what these procedures are:

http://www.ukfsc.co.uk/files/Safety%20B ... 0Aerad.pdf

Here is the Federal Aviation Authority version:

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publica ... m0506.html

I will scan and upload the official document from the Jeppesen Airway Manual Emergency Section if anyone is interested. This is the official copy and procedures for "Intercepted Aircraft" and it is the latest current version. The procedure also entails signals in the event radio communications are not established to the Intercepted Aircraft such as the following:

Rocking of Wings - You have been intercept and must follow me.

What doesn't happen is aircraft getting shot down willy nilly!

No one is claiming that if the MH370 was shot down, it was done so willy nilly, Paphitis. It would have been shot down after ALL the steps were taken as the examples you have given, hence the reason why there are only very few passenger jets that are shot down.

If all the steps were taken, then the US definitely has NOTHING to worry about because it would be obvious that this aircraft did not comply with the ADIZ and could easily be deemed as a threat (possible attack). Therefore, there is no court that could possibly deem that the US acted illegally.

Another thing I would like to know, is what assets from Diego Garcia did the Americans use to identify the target? Or was there an aircraft carrier in the area?

And how the hell did they hide all the debris with such efficiency from local fishermen? Surely someone saw the fireball!

[Kikapu]

Latest report!

Australian Prime Minister has just met with China's President and given him the latest information he has from Angus Houston.

Australian PM has confirmed that they have located the Black Box with a "high degree of certainty". He also thanked China for its assistance in the search effort.

Those are Australian PM's words not mine.

All of the above is just adding more to the irregularities in this case with more contadictions, which has already created many gaps in this case to which it creates more suspicion that there's some funny business is going on and that it has nothing to do with the so called finding of the Black Boxes. Why does the MP of Australia need to go all the way to China to deliver a personal message that the Black Boxes are almost found? Shouldn't he be going to Malaysia instead?

[Kikapu]

Back to the shoot down theory.

There is a series of procedures before a country resorts to shooting down an aircraft. These procedures are published in the Jeppessen Airway Manual which all airliners have on the Flight Deck.

Here is a link to what these procedures are:

http://www.ukfsc.co.uk/files/Safety%20B ... 0Aerad.pdf

Here is the Federal Aviation Authority version:

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publica ... m0506.html

I will scan and upload the official document from the Jeppesen Airway Manual Emergency Section if anyone is interested. This is the official copy and procedures for "Intercepted Aircraft" and it is the latest current version. The procedure also entails signals in the event radio communications are not established to the Intercepted Aircraft such as the following:

Rocking of Wings - You have been intercept and must follow me.

What doesn't happen is aircraft getting shot down willy nilly!

No one is claiming that if the MH370 was shot down, it was done so willy nilly, Paphitis. It would have been shot down after ALL the steps were taken as the examples you have given, hence the reason why there are only very few passenger jets that are shot down.

If all the steps were taken, then the US definitely has NOTHING to worry about because it would be obvious that this aircraft did not comply with the ADIZ and could easily be deemed as a threat (possible attack). Therefore, there is no court that could possibly deem that the US acted illegally.

Another thing I would like to know, is what assets from Diego Garcia did the Americans use to identify the target? Or was there an aircraft carrier in the area?

And how the hell did they hide all the debris with such efficiency from local fishermen? Surely someone saw the fireball!

As I have already stated, shooting down a passenger jet down legally is one thing, but taking the lives of hundreds of innocent passengers is another, politically speaking.

There doesn't need to be a fireball if the MH370 was shot down by a jet fighter. Just crippling the rudder a little would have forced the aircraft down, and then just secure the crash site from everyone until all floating items are picked up within a day or two.

[boomerang]

The million dollar question is, why the aircraft did a U-turn and flew in the opposite direction...if it was a suicide mission why do a U-turn rather than nose dive while on course...


The whole thing smells regardless what they tell the minions.... even if they recover the black boxes the truth will never be told...

[Paphitis]

The million dollar question is, why the aircraft did a U-turn and flew in the opposite direction...if it was a suicide mission why do a U-turn rather than nose dive while on course...


The whole thing smells regardless what they tell the minions.... even if they recover the black boxes the truth will never be told...

No one really knows why just yet as far as we know.

There is a parallel criminal investigation involving the Malaysian police and Air Crash Investigators. The investigators have come up with what the call "most probably causes" and the police are investigating from there. Apparently they have already interviewed over 200 people (family and other MAS Pilots) to try and answer this question.

The Malaysian Police have also stated only 2 days ago that everyone on board MH370 is a suspect at this stage.

All this stuff may take years to answer. The investigators would be waiting very eagerly for the Black Box because this will give them vital clues as well.

Once again, this is unprecedented and as such, it is vitally important to solve this mystery.

[Paphitis]

Latest report!

Australian Prime Minister has just met with China's President and given him the latest information he has from Angus Houston.

Australian PM has confirmed that they have located the Black Box with a "high degree of certainty". He also thanked China for its assistance in the search effort.

Those are Australian PM's words not mine.

All of the above is just adding more to the irregularities in this case with more contadictions, which has already created many gaps in this case to which it creates more suspicion that there's some funny business is going on and that it has nothing to do with the so called finding of the Black Boxes. Why does the MP of Australia need to go all the way to China to deliver a personal message that the Black Boxes are almost found? Shouldn't he be going to Malaysia instead?

Sorry Kikapu but I am not buying this at all.

I don't see any irregularities other than this being one of the toughest crashes to investigate in aviation history. The reason for briefing China is because 154 of the victims were Chinese citizens and China has been a big help and genuinely is looking for the answers as they are under some local pressure.

[Paphitis]

Back to the shoot down theory.

There is a series of procedures before a country resorts to shooting down an aircraft. These procedures are published in the Jeppessen Airway Manual which all airliners have on the Flight Deck.

Here is a link to what these procedures are:

http://www.ukfsc.co.uk/files/Safety%20B ... 0Aerad.pdf

Here is the Federal Aviation Authority version:

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publica ... m0506.html

I will scan and upload the official document from the Jeppesen Airway Manual Emergency Section if anyone is interested. This is the official copy and procedures for "Intercepted Aircraft" and it is the latest current version. The procedure also entails signals in the event radio communications are not established to the Intercepted Aircraft such as the following:

Rocking of Wings - You have been intercept and must follow me.

What doesn't happen is aircraft getting shot down willy nilly!

No one is claiming that if the MH370 was shot down, it was done so willy nilly, Paphitis. It would have been shot down after ALL the steps were taken as the examples you have given, hence the reason why there are only very few passenger jets that are shot down.

If all the steps were taken, then the US definitely has NOTHING to worry about because it would be obvious that this aircraft did not comply with the ADIZ and could easily be deemed as a threat (possible attack). Therefore, there is no court that could possibly deem that the US acted illegally.

Another thing I would like to know, is what assets from Diego Garcia did the Americans use to identify the target? Or was there an aircraft carrier in the area?

And how the hell did they hide all the debris with such efficiency from local fishermen? Surely someone saw the fireball!

As I have already stated, shooting down a passenger jet down legally is one thing, but taking the lives of hundreds of innocent passengers is another, politically speaking.

There doesn't need to be a fireball if the MH370 was shot down by a jet fighter. Just crippling the rudder a little would have forced the aircraft down, and then just secure the crash site from everyone until all floating items are picked up within a day or two.

As gory as it may sound, the innocent passengers would not be a factor. They could all be American Citizens but it would not matter. How can they justify that? Very easily when they will claim that their action was necessary to protect the lives of many more on the ground. And there isn't much of a argument against this, certainly no legal one that is for sure.

The Chinese in particular are very draconian about their ADIZ and wouldn't hesitate. The political cost would exist, but the Department of Defence will issue an official statement and after a few days or weeks, it is all forgotten. They may offer the families some financial assistance and they will express deep sorrow, but really there is not much else that can be done.

[Kikapu]

As gory as it may sound, the innocent passengers would not be a factor. They could all be American Citizens but it would not matter. How can they justify that? Very easily when they will claim that their action was necessary to protect the lives of many more on the ground. And there isn't much of a argument against this, certainly no legal one that is for sure.

The Chinese in particular are very draconian about their ADIZ and wouldn't hesitate. The political cost would exist, but the Department of Defence will issue an official statement and after a few days or weeks, it is all forgotten. They may offer the families some financial assistance and they will express deep sorrow, but really there is not much else that can be done.

That's all very well if the unidentified plane was approaching New York from the Atlantic, but according to you, Diego Garcia has very little importance to warrant shooting down anything, let alone a large jetliner, therefore political fallout will be much greater if such an act occurred.

[Kikapu]

Latest report!

Australian Prime Minister has just met with China's President and given him the latest information he has from Angus Houston.

Australian PM has confirmed that they have located the Black Box with a "high degree of certainty". He also thanked China for its assistance in the search effort.

Those are Australian PM's words not mine.

All of the above is just adding more to the irregularities in this case with more contadictions, which has already created many gaps in this case to which it creates more suspicion that there's some funny business is going on and that it has nothing to do with the so called finding of the Black Boxes. Why does the MP of Australia need to go all the way to China to deliver a personal message that the Black Boxes are almost found? Shouldn't he be going to Malaysia instead?

Sorry Kikapu but I am not buying this at all.

I don't see any irregularities other than this being one of the toughest crashes to investigate in aviation history. The reason for briefing China is because 154 of the victims were Chinese citizens and China has been a big help and genuinely is looking for the answers as they are under some local pressure.

You don't see irregularities between what Angus Houston has stated about needing another 20 days to do the search for the Black Boxes and then 5 minutes later, the Australian MP is on the plane to Chine to state that the Black Boxes are indeed almost found. Why didn't he just use the phone to call the Chinese President? Perhaps the phone conversation would be leaked to the media if it was something other than actually finding the Black Boxes, and Malaysia is totally ignored when it was their plane that has gone missing. Makes one think, No?