Paphitis wrote:Kikapu wrote:Yes, you can also add South Korea and Japan onto the "TEAM". They are after all under American protection against any Chinese, North Korean and Russian military threats.
There is a fundamental flaw in your thinking. Literally, thousands of people will be privy or have knowledge of rogue Subs in the search area because the Guided Missile Frigates, Orions and Poseidons would have detected them. Loose lips sink ships and it is only a matter of time before the cat is let out of the bag either deliberately or inadvertently. Things like this are "need to know" but the US will not be able to keep the secret too easily. You simply can't stop flight crews from doing what they are trained to do.
I'm not talking about any rouge subs in the area that may be sending false ping signals. I'm talking about a subs from the "TEAM".
Paphitis wrote:Kikapu wrote:Why would anyone care if there were one or two submarines around to look for the missing MH370? Are they forbidden to be used? It could be a sub from any one of the "TEAM".
They would have to inform the Flight Crews because they would always be deploying Sonar and the MAD which will detect any Sub. It is a game of cat and mouse and the crews get a massive morale boost when they detect any Sub whether on the same team or not. As I said, too many people in the know, and that makes things extremely difficult. Now that's just the Flight Crews. What about all the Navy Ships such as HMAS Toowoomba which is an accomplished Anti Submarine Warfare Ship and Guided Missile Frigate? I do not believe the Chinese are that incompetent that they would not detect the Submarine either.
No Submarines are not forbidden. There is a British Sub in the area helping with the search.
But the subs who may be sending false ping signals are not hiding to play a "cat & mouse" games. They are in fact with the "TEAM". The Chinese can only know there are subs in the area. But do they know they might have sent false ping signals?
Paphitis wrote:Kikapu wrote:The plane shoot down is Pyro's theory and not mine, therefore I'm asking questions on behalf of my friend Pyro. Since there are many gaps in this whole MH370 affaire, unless the search starts making sense which thus far has not been on the up & up, then it will only add suspicion in how the search is being conducted and by whom. Since the location of the missing MH370 has been placed in Australians neighbourhood, then they will be doing what ever the "TEAM" needs to do, no questions asked.
There are no gaps or there is nothing the authorities are withholding from the public unless it jeopardizes the Criminal Investigation or which may cause distress to the families. There is absolutely no incentive for the US or Australia to cover anything up even if the aircraft was knocked out of the sky which you could hardly be critical of if it flew anywhere near Diego Garcia. I still do not believe the Americans would shoot it down without a clear and imminent threat.
It is very clear that the Australian Government and Authorities are taking their obligations very seriously and there is a lot at stake. The airline industry can't afford for this matter to remain unresolved.
There have been many gaps created in the last month regarding MH370, which there has been one misleading crash site discoveries after another, and it is still going on with these ping signals. Surely if the ping signals were coming from a stationary location of the Black Boxes, it's almost whereabouts would have been established by now and the next step would be to send submersibles to try and retrieve it, despite not having had a confirmed and proven crash site.
Paphitis wrote:Kikapu wrote:Why were these ping signal detectors were ONLY deployed in the last few days or so just as the expected battery life's of the Black Boxes would end just by miracle, they got a "HIT" right away when there were not a shred of evidence of any floating debris from MH370 in the area? First by the Chinese and then by the Australians some 300+ miles away. Now the signals are almost ending because the batteries on the Black Boxes are dead, but still not being able to pinpoint the Black Boxes by triangulation even after 4 separate "HITS". So now we have been left with a huge "haystack".
Because the authorities had absolutely no idea where to look. The idea was to detect debris, find the haystack and then look for the needle.
If you notice, all the pings were exactly right on the Inmarsat Southern Arc or only a few miles from it. The Search Effort concentrated its effort around this arc because that was the only scientific lead they had. So no it was not by pure chance or coincidental.
It is extremely difficult because the Ships have to tow the detector very slowly and listen for any changes in frequency and intensity and they have to that from different bearings and sometimes they lose the signal and find it difficult to regain it. Not at all a simple process but they do have a haystack now and the Submersible will be deployed in 2 or 3 days.
But if the possible crash site is on the Southern Arch based on Inmarsat, that finding was made about 3 weeks ago, so why weren't the ping signal detectors not deployed 3 weeks ago when the batteries in the Black Boxes were full and their signals very strong and not wait until the batteries are near dead. Do you see where I'm going with this my friend?
Paphitis wrote:Kikapu wrote:As I have said before, if the plane has been shot down, some debris will be recovered eventually because it will be placed at the "crash site" by those who shot it down but the Black Boxes will never be recovered, at least not the original recordings from flight MH370. It will drag for a long time and yes money will be spent to cover any possible shoot down, but it will be a small change in comparison to the political and financial damage it would cause if it were to be learnt that the MH370 was shot down. In the end, it cost Libya few Billions of Dollars in direct payment for the Lockerbie PanAm 103 bombing victims.
Which is absolute proof that MH370 was NOT shot down. They have not even found any debris at the crash site either.
There would be no financial loss or damage to the US if they did shoot the aircraft down. The relatives would not be eligible for compensation from the US either but MAS might be liable. However, in the end, even if the US had to compensate each family next of kin by 2 million USD each then that is a mere 500 million USD. Let me tell you that this is Chicken Feed and the US Government would probably have no issue paying up but they would not admit liability or wrong doing because the fact is, they and any other country is allowed to shoot down any aircraft if it poses any threat. Even if the compensation is Billions, it is still Chicken Feed. The Search Effort has already hit $200 million after just one month.
Well, the plane was not shot down at the Southern Indian Ocean where the search is going on now. If it were shot down, it would have been at a different location further north by about a thousand miles. Any debris found in the Southern Indian Ocean if the plane was shot down much further north, then the debris would be planted there.
It is never good when a passenger jet is shot down by any military for any reason, even if warranted. It is as close as you can come to being murdering innocent people, just as it was when the Russians shot down South Korean passenger jet KAL 007 or the Americans shooting down Iranian passenger jet flight IR 655. Aside from financial cost, it has much larger problems with political costs, especially when most were Chinese citizens on MH370. Btw, Pyro reported it has only cost about $20 million plus in total so far, which is about a month. Mostly going to jet fuel and fuel for the ships I guess. The personal are all military, therefore, those costs are covered.
Paphitis wrote:Kikapu wrote:You say that if the US did shoot down MH370 they would admit to it. I don't think so my friend. Even if they had all the justification for shooting it down, they would not admit to it unless they had to and not before. Lets take the case of United Flight 93 on 9/11 that supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania after the passengers stormed the cockpit to take the plane back from the terrorists after one of them said "Lets Roll". Really, is that what really happened? I mean, it sounds all heroic, glorious and romantic that would make any citizen of any country very proud of these daring passengers who have scarified their lives to save others, but in reality, it all points to Flight UA9 being shot down by the US air force. Would anyone blame the US government for shooting down UA93 under the circumstances of 9/11? No, no one would, including me and I'm sure Pyro also, but has the US government admitted shooting down the plane? No they have not. Just a little food for thought my friend. As knowledgeable as you are when it comes to Aviation which I for one love reading, you put too much trust in your government and accept their explanations as being fact. I don't, and if we do not question our governments in what they tell us, then the truth will never come out. At least by questioning our governments, we have some hope of getting to the bottom of things, even if it takes 50 years to do so.
Yes but you forget that the US FAA actually retrieved the Black Box of UA93 and that my friend can't be fabricated. Everything is recorded meticulously.
I don't know what the issue is with passengers trying to storm the cockpit. I don't think it is heroic at all, but the media will portray it as such. If I was on that plane, then I might have been the one that said "Let's Roll" and man I would have given it all I got. It's called survival instinct. I think you and anyone else would do the same.
Actually, as far as I'm aware, the findings from the Black Boxes from flight UA93 were never released to the public, but were ONLY given to the relatives of the victims on that flight. Who knows what the US government fed them for information. We did not even see any wreckage of flight UA93 but only a creator in the ground as if the ground swallowed the whole plane. Really?
As for the "Lets Roll" comment, it is all to do with diverting people’s attention from shooting down the jet, that's all..
