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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:57 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Probably the Chinese don't trust the whole thing. And probably the Australians, British US etc know the reasons why the Chinese don't trust the whole thing. I don't think the reasons are merely political but have to do with the accident itself and how it happened.

In any case let's hope those pings were real. Reading over the net unfortunately the odds they were real hold a probability of about 30-40% only.


They trust the process and the will of Australia to find MH370. Political Analysts are citing domestic pressures from within China.

This search has gone down as the biggest in history.

They had to come up with something otherwise there would be hell to pay, which is why I believe the Chinese have fabricated their Acoustic Event.

Beside the Noble Search Effort lies a Geopolitical Game between China and Australia.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:01 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Air France Crash was AVOIDABLE!!



I bet the official version for MH370 will be something similar.


No it will not even be close.

The Pilots of Air France had lost their Static Vent and Pitot sensors due to icing and stalled the aircraft. The aircraft was stalled and they had false Airspeed Indications and kept pulling back to try and climb whilst ignoring the Stick Shaker making the situation even worse. If they lowered the nose and applied full power they would have recovered.

That is not the case with MH370. This aircraft was also thousands of kms from its course so they investigation is taking a more criminal approach.


I didn't say the two cases are close. I said the "official" conclusion will be the same: AVOIDABLE.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:03 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Probably the Chinese don't trust the whole thing. And probably the Australians, British US etc know the reasons why the Chinese don't trust the whole thing. I don't think the reasons are merely political but have to do with the accident itself and how it happened.

In any case let's hope those pings were real. Reading over the net unfortunately the odds they were real hold a probability of about 30-40% only.


I also believe the Australians do not trust the Chinese which is why the British Submarine comment was made.

They did hear a ping, ping, ping after all!
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:04 pm

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Pyrpolizer wrote:Air France Crash was AVOIDABLE!!



I bet the official version for MH370 will be something similar.


No it will not even be close.

The Pilots of Air France had lost their Static Vent and Pitot sensors due to icing and stalled the aircraft. The aircraft was stalled and they had false Airspeed Indications and kept pulling back to try and climb whilst ignoring the Stick Shaker making the situation even worse. If they lowered the nose and applied full power they would have recovered.

That is not the case with MH370. This aircraft was also thousands of kms from its course so they investigation is taking a more criminal approach.


I didn't say the two cases are close. I said the "official" conclusion will be the same: AVOIDABLE.


I don't believe they can classify MH370 as avoidable as AF447, unless investigators cite a few MAS internal pilot surveillance matters which could be the case, assuming the aircraft was not hijacked because that will be high on the list as well.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:12 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Probably the Chinese don't trust the whole thing. And probably the Australians, British US etc know the reasons why the Chinese don't trust the whole thing. I don't think the reasons are merely political but have to do with the accident itself and how it happened.

In any case let's hope those pings were real. Reading over the net unfortunately the odds they were real hold a probability of about 30-40% only.


They trust the process and the will of Australia to find MH370. Political Analysts are citing domestic pressures from within China.

This search has gone down as the biggest in history.

They had to come up with something otherwise there would be hell to pay, which is why I believe the Chinese have fabricated their Acoustic Event.

Beside the Noble Search Effort lies a Geopolitical Game between China and Australia.


I also believe the Chinese have fabricated their acoustic event. However considering of what happened next that seems to me like a very clever fabrication.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:17 pm

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Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Probably the Chinese don't trust the whole thing. And probably the Australians, British US etc know the reasons why the Chinese don't trust the whole thing. I don't think the reasons are merely political but have to do with the accident itself and how it happened.

In any case let's hope those pings were real. Reading over the net unfortunately the odds they were real hold a probability of about 30-40% only.


They trust the process and the will of Australia to find MH370. Political Analysts are citing domestic pressures from within China.

This search has gone down as the biggest in history.

They had to come up with something otherwise there would be hell to pay, which is why I believe the Chinese have fabricated their Acoustic Event.

Beside the Noble Search Effort lies a Geopolitical Game between China and Australia.


I also believe the Chinese have fabricated their acoustic event. However considering of what happened next that seems to me like a very clever fabrication.


The Australians have been very cautious and professional throughout.

I guarantee you that the Royal Australian Navy would NEVER fabricate their Acoustic Event but that does not change the fact that it might be a false positive. I am however very optimistic.

The Chinese never believed that MH370 would be found so they fabricated their Acoustic detection for domestic political reasons. They were not banking on the Royal Australian Navy detecting a much stronger signal 300 nms further north.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:12 pm

Where would have led them if it was merely for internal political reasons, if it eventually proved to be nothing but false readings? :wink:
Wouldn't it simply embarrass them?
Imo it was either fabricated to pull the investigation to where they had their own information about the crash site, or the signal was real.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:29 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Where would have led them if it was merely for internal political reasons, if it eventually proved to be nothing but false readings? :wink:
Wouldn't it simply embarrass them?
Imo it was either fabricated to pull the investigation to where they had their own information about the crash site, or the signal was real.


No there is no embarrassment at a false positive.

But it gives the impression that they are doing something and the Chinese Government would be under immense pressure. The Australians have a lot less pressure but they see the importance of throwing all they have to the search effort.

The Australian Government is already committed to the long haul. That means years if need be.

The Australians would not have even announced their event but were left with no choice because of the Chinese because assets needed to be allocated to their Acoustic Event.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:53 pm

The Pings as reported by CNN (2nd video from top)
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/08/world ... hpt=ias_c1
Same video on Youtube

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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:20 pm

The positive is that the main pings are at 1 sec intervals exact.
The negative is that there is another set of pings that come randomly and are not at 1 sec (or multiples of 1 sec) intervals. :roll:
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